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Project GSX250 restoration

Discussion in 'Your 250cc Projects' started by SwarleyAUS, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. Johnny

    Johnny Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Yeah, make those pictures, and try to make one showing the T mark as well, if possible. Then, if you still have some doubts, I advise you to ask the guys at the www.thegsresources.com forum. I personally have never messed with the cam chain yet. Today I did rebuild the camchain tensioner though and I am hoping that this would solve the (not-so-)funny noise I've been hearing lately from my engine.
     
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    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    The mis-alignment of the marks could be caused by the stretch of the timing chain or maybe they were never made that close when new. To move the chain one tooth will probably put your timing out too far and may cause valve and piston kissing.
     
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    So the resistance isn't compression, it's just that there's pressure on two valve springs as oppose to one at once at that point in the cycle fortunately. Otherwise all clearances are within spec. Will leave as is for now.

    Re cam timing you can see in the first pic the alignment of T mark and then in the next what the position of the cam notches are. Will leave this as is too for the time being though as I don't think the valves are fouling on the pistons.

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    Two other questions:

    - Can anyone tell me what the spec is for the front caliper chassis bolts? I thought they were M10 based on this: http://www.cmsnl.com/suzuki-gsx250e...del13609/0910310038xc0-bolt-10x37_0910310038/, but M10s I ordered seize mid way into the thread.
    - Can anyone also tell me how to remove the tacho cable from the cylinder head? Having removed the phillips screw the connection rotates, but I can't pull it out. What am I missing? Strength?
    - Is the aforementioned wear on the cam lobes something that I need to deal with? Cheers guys.
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    Timing chain is ok, albeit borderline (near 78.9mm over 10 pitch):

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    M10 bolts come in two standard threads of 1.5mm (course) and 1.25mm (fine). Most bikes use the fine, which thread pitch do you have?
    Cable should just pull out once screw is removed but sometimes the O ring seal causes it to stick.
    Cams look fine.
     
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    Ah cool you learn something every day! I probably need the fine, cheers Murdo!
     
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    You unscrew the cable by hand and pull it out of the tacho gear sleeve, very easy.
    Now you may have problems getting the sleeve itself out, and you have to get it out in order to put the valve cover back. There is a seal band surrounding the sleeve inside the valve cover, this probably makes it sticky. Try to poke the sleeve and/or the tacho gear itself from inside the valve cover with some stick or something alike, would like to say with a screwdriver but you find something more suitable. If the sleeve doesn't move at all, spray it with penetrating oil and let soak, then try again.
     
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    Got it, thanks guys. In the process of cleaning that valve cover, all the silver paint that was applied has come off, is it necessary to re seal/replace this paint?

    The caliper I bought is rusted half to hell, so that's the next challenge while I await the correct bolts for it!
     
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    I'm assuming it's just the original silver finish, on there for aesthetics, rather than some special paint but just wanted to check.
     
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    Don't worry about any paint now! Get the bike running and then you can start painting stuff.
     
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    Ok so got a battery today, some of the electrics are working... neutral light not, oil light is but is permanently on - is this normal?

    Also all lights go out when I turn the key fully to the right (3rd position) can cannot start the bike - is this normal?

    Starter ticks over (and crankshaft) in the 2nd key position but does not start. This is my setup for fuel delivery, put a couple hundred mL of petrol in and let it flow into the carbs. When I'm trying to start it it just hangs there:

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    Petcock vacuum line is sealed off too as you can see. As I've enquired before though, there is another vacuum line coming off carb #2 and looks to have been connected to something but I never saw what.

    I have ok spark, blue-yellow, but they are not wet after a few attempts at starting.

    Also have an oil leak from the oil filter cover... I've now tightened it down a lot more. I used a new o-ring though... could this issue be tied to the fact the oil pressure light is on?

    Thanks guys.
     
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    Nevermind about the leaking oil issue, it was just a poorly seated oil filter cover o-ring. And from what I can tell GSX's have the oil light on when starting too.
     
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    Plugs still don't look to be at all wet after a good few attempts at starting, I dunno if it's that there's too little fuel in the carbs, a blockage somewhere in there or something else entirely...
     
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    Have you tried undoing the fuel bowl drain screw's to check they're full ?
    Do you have a nice blue/white spark with the spark plug out and the spark plug thread's earthed to the head ?
     
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    I will give that a go now.
     
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    Yep floats have fuel in them. Sprayed a bit of carby cleaner in the airbox and got a new result, it started to turn over and was popping but wouldn't hold idle w/o starter. This is with choke pulled out (on).



    EDIT: Yes blue and white sparks. I have new plugs I can fit if need be but they looked in decent shape so I thought I'd run it with what was already on it. New ones are lower heat range I think too...
     
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    Might be worth swapping the new plug's in if you can, just to make sure it's getting a decent spark.
    If it run's then it's all good, just replace the plug's with the correct heat range when you can.

    So your jet's are all clean ?
    Where the Air screw (mixture screw) goes into the carby's if you pull them both out, with the spring, washer and o ring, shine a torch into the bottom of the thread's in the base of the carby.
    There should be a tiny hole that goes through to the main bore of the carby, if that is blocked then the engine will not be getting enough fuel to be able to idle.
    Poke a thin strand of fishing line through the hole a few time's to check that they're clear.
     
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    I think so, didn't really want to go messing with everything and the fuel wasn't thick from age. The air screw being the ones on the front of the carb? Sitting vertical, accessible from the top?
     
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    She's running! Idling at 5k rpm though... air leak or what?

    Right carb mixture screw has no o ring though I've found. Re set them both to 1.5 turns out.
     
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    Try putting you finger tip over the mixture screw and press down hard on the right carby to see if the idle speed changes

    Check the inlet manifold to carby clamp's are done up tight.
    Start the bike and let it idle, spray some wd40 or degreaser onto the carby boot's and see if the idle changes in any way, if it does then there is a leak
     
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