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Project 1989? FZR250 2KR

Discussion in 'Your 250cc Projects' started by Khaiden Cori, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. Khaiden Cori

    Khaiden Cori Active Member Premium Member

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    those are BDST26 carbs, same functionality, some different components, someone else may chime in with the fuel level for those carbs as I don't know it off hand.

    In the meantime you can measure the float height that you have, then reinstall them and measure fuel height that you have.

    The measurement process is the same for the float height regardless, just touching the valve and not compressing the spring, so you will have to lean the carbs to a suitable angle to achieve that. Use an uncut playing card and mark it on the first one, then cut appropriately and measure all 4.

    Keep detailed notes so you can track changes
     
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    My 2KR BDS26 carby's have the round style float's, they're set to 16mm when just touching the pin

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    Ah awesome! Finally a clear answer haha thabk you very much! Could you please post a picture of what way I sit the carbs when measuring and adjusting Float height please?:)
    Just so I know I'm doing this right Haha!
     
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    Also looking for a good condition set of fairings as we can't be bothered painting the ones we have haha
     
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    Do you have a pic of your float's too see what angle the tab's are currently set at?



    Just looked at the 2KR service manual and it doesn't have the float height setting's or fuel level's(plus it's in Japanese)
    But in section 4, page 6 it show's a pic of the fuel level against the side of the carby

    But i did find this on the XJ Rider Yamaha Seca 11 site, they use the same carby's Mikuni BDS26 (later model's use the BDS28)
    It list's the float height's as being between 6.2mm to 8.2mm which is way off what my carby's were set at (the one i checked was set at 16mm)
    (but i don't know if anyone before me has adjusted them either or even if they've been run at that ?)
    http://www.xjrider.com/viewtopic.php?t=7309

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    Before adjusting (too high)
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    After adjusting to 7.2mm (mid way between 6.2mm and 8.2mm)
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    As explained to you previously, you need to turn the carbs to a point where the float tang is just touching the needle and not compressing valve needle spring at all.
    Its not too difficult to figure out, there isn't a recipe or formula because only identical carburetors with identical float heights will be the same.

    check page 22 of the 2KR service manual where the carb specs are located, there's a measurement of 17.5 ~ 19.5mm.

    I think that may be the correct specification as page 86, section 4 page 1 - part 17 in the exploded diagram, the floats, it gives the same number as above 17.5~19.5mm

    It's worth checking with the current float height to see if that is the correct specification compared to what the float height is set too already.
     
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    So you wouldn't believe it but I did as @my67xr did his carbs and checked them and they were attacked set to about 7.5mm max .... I am actually amazed that they have stayed where they should that never happens ....
    But digging further into the bike we have found many other dodgy things on it like a washer fitted instead of a retainer plate, snapped pieces of the retainer for the rear sprocket , slight crack in case (luckily just the top of the front sprocket case )
    But many cosmetic things to be fixed up :/...
    But at least once I get the carb issue fixed and she's running it's basically all cosmetic and money from there onwards:)
    Oh ran into another issue , due to having to drill a bolt out from the float bowl it has left the hole to big for the bolt and also chips in the steel on top so the float bowl doesn't seal properly
    We are looking into ideas to seal it and also use fuel resistant gasket stuff on it but hmmm
     
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    Fill the hole with something like Devcon and when set redrill and tap a thread in it. Just dont overtighten the screw.
     
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    Seca carbs are not downdraft like the FZR's so the float height/level values are not comparable.
     
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    Yeah, i just posted those pic's to show how the float height's are checked.
    Sorry, should have mentioned that above or took my own pic's for you
    I didn't look all the way through the 2KR service manual either to find the float height spec's

    My BDS26 were set at 16mm, but as ruckusman pointed out the factory spec's are 17.5~19.5mm (so mine were set 1-2mm too high)
     
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    So those pics are wrong ?...
    Is that the way I need to sit it or?
    So do I sit it like that then adjust to 17.5?

    Yes I know everyone keeps saying sit the carbs where the needle is just touching but to do thst I have to hold them upside down in the air
     
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    Khaiden just politely, you clearly haven't read the references you've been provided

    This thread has a pic of how the BDST28's were inclined to get the tang of the float just touching the needle, yours will be similar, perhaps identical, but in any case you need to determine the actual angle for yourself by inspection

    http://2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/my-fizzer.872/page-32#post-15537

    Simplest way is to put them on a bench and use wedges of some sort, or perhaps welding clamps or whatever else you can come up with to achieve the desired angle.

    Time to put your thinking cap on
     
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    The angle the BDS26 carby's fuel bowl mounting face need's to be on is around 8-10 degree's,
    i found that sitting a roll of 22mm masking tape under the part where the throttle cable end sit's it's about right

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    Zoomed in on the same

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    Did you check when you cleaned the carby's that the little mesh filter on the inside of the seat's are clean? (needle/seat)

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    And that the rubber tip's of the needle's are still soft ?

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    And make sure that the retaining clip on the end of the needle has the 2 little loop's facing toward's the float, not away from it
    Sometime's they can foul on the tip of the float's tang and not let it close properly

    Also check the pin's alway's come back out the end of the needle's too.
    3 of mine were stuck in, so i had to soak them in carby cleaner and blow them out with compressed air quite a few time's before they'd automatically return to the out position

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    Yeah that's we did !
    Took completely apart and spray carb cleaner thoroughly then air compressor spray and keep doing it over and over till its clean , I do it in a pan so I can keep an eye on how clean it's getting
    But anyway finally got her running ! Set to 17.3 to 17.5 mm , hard to get perfect and exact with old school ruler , she's an amazing bike ! Love her to bits
    There's a video of the full revival on club250 riders :)
     
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    Also anyone know if the bike will be fine changing the front sprocket from a 17 tooth to a 14?:)
     
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    That is quite a big drop, 1 tooth off the front sprocket is like adding 3 or 4 teeth to the rear
    You will only be able to get about 60km/h out of first gear instead of 75km/h
    The chain will need to be shortened to suit as well

    How much would you ride it in top gear ?
    My FZR sit's on 9000rpm @ 100km/h, having a 14t front sprocket would make the rev's sit on about 11200 rpm
     
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    No it will be terrible

    It will rev like crazy while cruising and the chain will eat into the chain guide and swingarm

    I had a 15 on mine and the best thing I did was put a stock 17 on it

    They dont need extra acceleration from changing the gearing ...if they are running right they have plenty with the stock setup
     
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    Yeah the smaller front sprocket will make the chain really dig into the rubber chain slider at the front of your swinger like Greyimport said.
    If you really want lower gearing you could try to find a bigger rear sprocket, that'd solve the issue with the chain slider ^.
    You will need a new longer chain if you fit a bigger rear sprocket too, a rear sprocket will cost you around $70 plus the new chain.

    Have a look here at the Gearing Commander website
    http://www.gearingcommander.com

    On the top row below the header, select the bike brand, model and engine size
    The 1990 model FZR250 is there, then select km/h and select enter gearing.
    It show's the rev's v's speeds through each gear.
    In the second selection down you can put an alternative front sprocket by changing the 56t rear sprocket to say a 60 t
    Then the section below it calculates the new revs/speed through each gear
    Click on the middle one to see what the changes will be


    I just put the sprocket sizes 14t F / 56T R into a torque/speed calculator and that gearing will give the bike 21% more torque
    It will also lose 21% off your top speed.
     
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