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Discussion in 'FZR250.com - Archives' started by TurBIce, Jan 21, 2006.

  1. TurBIce

    TurBIce New Member

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    when i ride my bike at low revs( when i say low i mean like 4k rpm ) it tends to just stall when i pull in the clutch.
    Imagine your on the road. your stopped. and the car in front of you moved 1 car spot so i move up abit. so i rev it a LIL bit ( like 3k rpm or slightly more. ) and then i pull the clutch in and break. it kinda just bogs down and then stalls.
    IS this because its running rich? and i have to play with that lil screw at the carbs?

    Oh and i've noticed (might or might not be related) when its a REALLY hot day. and the temperature gauge says its like just over halfway in heat. the bike runs slightly better.. i am using 10w 50 full syncetic i think.
    Would i be able to fix this by putting in a different oil that can operate at a colder temp? if so which oil?

    fzr250 3nl single headlight 1992 - 1000km ago had new sparks/oil change/oil filter/flushed radiator/

    Thanks in advance:)
     
  2. koma

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    Yes it's bogging down when you do that, and that's because it's running rich.
    My bets are on the float levels.

    As for the really hot day thing... that seems to be bit of a weird one.
    Perhaps the bike is in it's optimal operating temperature half way up the thermometers indicated range.
    Perhaps your air filter is a little clogged with oil and gunk and a hot day makes it softer allowing more air through.
    Perhaps the little engine dwarfs are happier in a nice tropical environment and can peddle faster at that temperature.

    Those suggestions were getting more bizarre as they went on... might want to start with what you know (running rich) and work from there.

    PS. Don't ride the bike in that low a rev range, it's bad for the bike. If you haven't read all the posts regarding carbon buildup then you should be keeping the bike above 7k at a minimum. Combined with the problem of running rich, you may end up running into problems with valves not sealing due to carbon buildup.
     
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    Thanks for your quick reply.
    is checking the float levels easy?
     
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    Not really.

    Checking float levels means pulling apart the carbs and measuring the float level from the reference line on the outside of the carbs (i think it was the reference line!). Not something you really want to do unless you can name all the parts inside a carby; aswell as clean and reassemble them without having to say 'i think that goes in there'. <!-- s:cool: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt=":cool:" title="Cool" /><!-- s:cool: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
     
  5. TurBIce

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    haha. Thanks, i guess i'll take it to the mechanics~
    Hope this doesnt cost a shytload~.

    And i'm getting like 140km / FULL TANK INCLUDING RESEARVE.

    I wont be able to reply til tonight. i'll be out now. Feel free to post any advise i'll come back to check.. THanks

    Ken
     
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    Sounds like you need a carb overhaul, clean and balance.
    Make sure this includes things like float heights.
    On the other hand could just be your needle's are worn beyond all hope and they probably need replacing - how many km's on the bike?

    Oooh, and be sure to take it to a mechanic who know's FZR's well otherwise they won't dare touch the float heights. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->
     
  7. TurBIce

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    Thanks. i'll ask around .

    there is about 45k km on the bike.

    sorry i will be back later on tonight. so feel freee to leave posts:)

    Ken
     
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    I went for a ride on the old roads today. and i thought crap i'm on 140km already. i must be running out of petrol soon.
    i get to the petrol station. i have like 1/4 or a lil more in my tank~ i was like. wtf.

    and also. it started blowing blacksmoke for about 5 minutes. then after the smoke stopped. my bike had more power~~ so.. wtf?
     
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    Yea i try not to ride the bike at low REVs. but i just thought other bikes can do that 1 car space thing. so i should be able to do it too ~
    I'll be practicing alot of slow riding around an obsticle tomorrow to train for my Ps test on monday. hope i dun screw up the plugs too much.. i guess i'll try and keep reving it and play with the clutch.~
     
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    If your doing some slow riding training, stick it in second and bounce the bike off idle. Atleast that way you won't be bogging the bike down and minimise the chance of fouling the plugs, etc.

    The black smoke thing sounds like one of your valves wasn't closing properly allowing fuel to escape through the inlet and giving poor compression on one cylinder. The smoke probably stopped when the valve seat was freed of the carbon/crud resulting in proper compression in that cylinder and therefore more power. That said, a valve doing something like that is likely to burn out in a very short period of time and needs attention if it does it again.
     
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    What do you mean by stick ti in second and bounce of idel?
     
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    Whilst practicing your low speed manouveres, what i used to do was find a car park and just sit in second gear and idle around... then start doing the manouveres like full lock circles and figure eights etc.
     
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    Thanks... I C!! i never thought you could do that.. I'll do that .
    thanks for the advice
     
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    BTW, Does anyone know a mechanic who knows FZR250s in Sydney?
    North Shore Area?
     
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    The problem with doing low speed manovers at idle in second is that sometimes you need a burst of power (particularly when the bike starts tipping over too far and you need to pull it up again). At idle in second you've got nothing, and you'll have to put your feet down to stop it falling over (which may or may not be successful).

    Try riding around in 1st at ~8k rpm while slipping the clutch and using the rear brake to control your speed.
    They would've taught you this at the stay upright course. At low speeds you shouldn't use the accelerator or clutch to control your speed, but should maintain constant throttle and clutch, and use the rear brake instead.

    Need to go faster, release the brake. need to slow down, put it on more. Master this and you'll find the P's test a lot easier... it also means you can go slower without under-revving the engine.
     
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    I PASSED <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> i'll collect my Ps tomorrow and yeah. the count down starts
     
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    Congratulations. Trust me don’t think too much about 'the countdown' or it will go on forever, mine is still going. Just enjoy the fizzer as much as you can to develop your riding.
     
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    Yea:) thanks guys. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling LoL" /><!-- s:roll: -->
     

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