Hi all, I'm the proud new owner of a Yamaha FZR250... I believe it's a 3ln? Anywho, I was just giving it a little dust and checking a few things out (tightening up the exup cables and all... thanks for that help). Anyway, I noticed it's actually completely out of oil. I have no idea what type to put in it, so if anyone could help me out here, it'd be apreciated. Here's my new girl: http://images.bikesales.com.au/watermark/bikesales.do?id=65137 http://images.bikesales.com.au/watermark/bikesales.do?id=65138
Lol. didn't even mention the elctric issues. I have a bit of an issue with the electricals.. it's not a problem, so isn't urgent, but i think it may become one. When I flick the indicator switch left or right, it takes a second or two before the indicators start flashing. When they do the light is weak and the pulses are fairly rapid. I get the feeling it may just be a high resistance in old wires, but I'm not sure if I want to rewire the bike. Are there any other issues that may cause this on the FZR?
The rapidly flashing indicator is because of the LED front indicators (or atleast they look like LED replacements). It also happens if you use a smaller bulb than stock. For all intents and purposes - it's normal. As for the oil, as you've just got the bike id recommend taking it to a mechanic and getting the works done on it; full service & fluids flush (oil, brakes, coolant, etc etc etc). If you want to DIY i'd still recommend doing a full oil change including filter. If you do change the filter you'll need 2.2L of your favourite oil (not changing filter it's just 2.0L); best off getting something like a 10w40 or 10w50 semi-synthetic bike oil. There's plenty of threads around so SEARCH is your friend. Just thought of something, just checking you know exactly how to check the oil level. The bike needs to be on level flat ground and then stood up vertical to the point of balancing - THEN look through the sight glass on the side of the sump. If your new to it then i'd highly recommend getting a friend to sit on the bike and get it vertical to avoid dropping the bike. PS. I've seen the photo's of that bike before... on this site i think!
cheers. it was the 10w40/50 that I couldn't find (so cheers for the help). Found plenty of threads on oil though. In the end the closest thing I could find was two stroke motorcycle oil >< but it's late at night and nothing is open apart from a few dodgy servos... Ahhhh well... the bike is my only transport and I'll be needing it for work tomorrow. I've got her booked in on friday for a major service, fluid flush, etc, so the two stroke will just have to do until then Sure sounded better with this stuff then it did without it. Don't spose you know the alias of the guy who owned this bike before me do you? I wouldn't mind doing a search and seeing what he's done to the bike and what trouble he's had. I don't actually like the front indicators. One of the first things I plan to do is get some flushmounts (and a fender eliminator)... Hopefully the bigger flushmounts will be more "normal". Thanks again for the help.
DID you put in 2stroke oil into your engine?? which 2stroke oil?? the one for the engine (the oil the 2sroke needs to blend withthe fuel) or the gear box oil?? Eather way if you did that I would NOT recomend you use it today to get to work and get some one to transport it to the mechanic where I would explain to the the mechanic what has happened... The gear oil for the 2stroke is not designed to be used a lubricant for engines as there are different forces involved as well as the whole issue with pistons and cylinders... The 2stroke engine oil is designed to BURN with the fuel mixture most modern 2strokes have their oil injected into the engine where they mix with the fuel... Eather way buy puting 2stroke oil of any sort in a 4 stroke shared gearbox engine arrangement (most bikes) could result in some damage!!
I don't think he/she was a member of this forum. That bike was posted a while back though because someone liked the paint job and decals on it. Nice looking bike though. And I agree with t-bone on the oil... change ASAP.
I suspect you were late for work this morning. If you wasn't, DONT ride that bike no more. Not even to the mechanic. Get it picked up by a truck or something.[/b]
Oh my, you've made a job out of that one, if you used that 2 stroke oil. I guess we're all here too live and learn.
Ok 2 stroke oil probably wasn’t the best idea, even car oil from the servo would have been better. As for the history of that bike, it is a bit of a mystery. Only one other member of this forum was from Canberra as far as I know and I haven’t seen it around town before it was listed for on bikesales. Looks like it was only painted fairly recently so it could have been any of the fizzers about town. Do you live in Canberra or did you send it interstate? I buy my oil from Canberra motorcycle center, they have a stand next to the service reception. I usually go for the shell vsx? 10w50 full synth. I can recommend taking the bike for work at Jo's, most other places in town will try to rip you off. They even bought a smashed up 3ln because I keep turning up.
yeah, I live in canberra. Well, i didn't read this until..well..now. I rode the bike to work, then to uni, then home no problems.. it even sounded better (of course that's comparing it to how it sounded empty ) I guess I'm walking to work tomorrow, eh? Lucky it's only about 1km away. The servo didn't have anything else >< that said specifically for motorcycles, and I heard that using car oil is REALY bad. I guess i just figured two stroke was better than nothing (literally). Oh well. Bike is alive and running still I'll hold out for the major service on friday where they'll be doing an oil change anyway. incidentally, what does the 10w40 / 10w50 stand for?
I just got my PC rebuilt and I did't back up my bookmarks.... I had a link to a super websight that explained oils... and oils for motorbikes!! It even listed tests and how oil brands compare... I use MOTUL, the only other oil I would use (and it is actualy better quality) is MOBIL.. Shell from my personal expiriance and reaserch I have read is adiquate lubrication?? the difference b/w Shell and Motul is fenomenal... you can realy feel it when riding...
... my bad. I'll get onto that as soon as i get this uni work outta the way. <!-- s:zzz: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sleeping.gif" alt=":zzz:" title="Sleeping" /><!-- s:zzz: -->
Car oil is only bad if it has friction modifiers in it. These are good for modern cars, but bad for bikes (can cause things like clutch slippage etc.). So you can buy car oil if it says no friction modifiers (usually it will say whether it does have friction modifiers in it, not whether it doesn't - if it doesn't say anything then it may be good...) As for weight of oil - check out <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question164.htm">http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question164.htm</a><!-- m --> - I love the 'how stuff works' page. Answers lots of questions relatively simply. May not give the details but will give basic ideas.
Well, i decided to do some research myself... Interesting article on the differences (or lack thereof) between modern auto oil and motorcycle oils: http://www.xs11.com/stories/mcnoil94.htm Another article reaching the same conclusion, but with a bit more information: http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/oil.htm An article on oil that actually answers my original question about what the numbers mean <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html "An oil sold as 10w-40 is no thicker than 10 weight oil under Winter (10w) conditions, meaning below freezing. The 40 means it is no thinner than 40 weight oil at 212° Fahrenheit. So, the first number tells us the performance of the oil at or below the temperature of freezing water, and the second number tells us the performance at the temperature of boiling water. The chemicals added to the oil to accomplish this are called Viscosity Index Improvers (VIIs)."
Good set of links - thanks for those! The first one has the key point of saying "Another component is emergency lubricants. This is typically zinc, phosphorous, and molybdenum. These chemicals are present in case your oil film completely breaks down, due to extreme temperatures or pressures. These chemicals are supposed to be a last resort defense against metal to metal contact in your engine. Oil companies are cutting back on phosphorous as these metals are hard on your catalytic converters. They're substituting molybdenum disulfide, which lowers friction and improves gas mileage. It also causes problems for people with wet clutches, that is most motorcycles."
20W50 oil no matter what they are for will not have friction modifiers in them - its in the standards that they do not have energy conserving additives. There is nothing wrong with quality brand cheap oil. Just change it often and always with a filter cause it is the filter that is the limiting factor of oil life in any vehicle. 20W is for the cold weight, 50 is for the hot wieght.