Running rich, and I mean rich! (Whole tank in 130KM Rich)

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  1. FZR250Guy

    FZR250Guy New Member

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    When I first got the bike it was running a bit rich, nothing too bad as it was better for it to run rich than lean. It also had descent fuel consumption per KM.

    Over the two months that I owned it the richness became worse, first it was bad fuel consumption (About 10L per 110KM) and now it's gotten to a stage where the bike wasted the whole tank in 130KM and there is this horrible petrol smell at every intersection I stop at, it literally smells worse than a petrol station!

    To top it off, the exhaust note isn't smooth anymore and there is some kind of popping noise occurring when you rev it, think of them as gaps in the normal exhaust sound. The bike is bogged down at low revs too, anything under 10K.

    The exhaust note problem started to occur when the bike wasted a shitload of petrol one night and picked up all the filthy bits from the bottom (The tank was nearly empty). The richness problem is so bad that it will occasionally flood during normal riding and die in the ass.

    It's not the EXUP, that's all operating smoothly. I'm thinking it's the fuel mixture settings and dirty carbies. There are no dead spots in the rev range at all!

    Today I took the carbies out, going to give them a good clean tomorrow morning. What do you guys recommend I do? Do you think they need to be balanced as well, there are no dead spots in the rev range so I don't think that is neccesarry and I don't have the tools anyway.

    Another thing, on the carbies there are two pipe sort of things (Look kinda like spark plug leads) that swing around but don't apear to be connected to anything. What the hell are these things? These are located towards the air filter side.

    Sorry for the long post but all help is REALLY appreciated!
     
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    koma New Member

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    I know your focussing on the carbs at the moment but when where the valve clearances last done?
    Also, how ratted out is your chain & sprockets?
    Just trying to think of some other common reasons for really poor fuel usage.

    For the time being i'd clean those carbs immaculately, replace your air filter (or clean it if its reusable), replace spark plugs, check valve clearances, change oil & filter. Actually, yeah thats most of a minor but thorough service.
     
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    The previous owner had the "Carbs overhauled, tuned and balanced carbs" - according to the invoice as well as new chain, sprockets and plugs done about 5000KM ago.

    No mention of valve clearances, are these hard to check, I got the whole bike apart anyway.

    I changed the oil and plugs at 50.5K, Itching to see what the plugs look like now the bike is at 51K.

    I'll go check now!

    Oh and, any tutorials or ideas of what I should pay extra attention to cleaning when I'm working on them? Thanks.
     
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    Valve check tutorial
    http://fzr250.com/viewtopic.php?t=1597
    However if your smelling petrol I would first look for leaks in the hoses while the fuel pump is running and then check the float valves in the carbs.
     
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    No fuel pump, looks like it was removed which explains why I can never waste ALL the petrol at the bottom of the tank.

    There was one leak coming directly from fuel supply hose on the carbies, however this was so small that it did not drip at all.
     
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    I have been around two FZR 3Ln and they were, always running rich down low but okay on top. After researching all about CV carbs I have come to the conclusion that the culprit is a too big pilot jet. Mean wont even run with the pilot screw more than 1 1/2 turns out , simply to rich. In the manual it says there that the pilot jet should be just 12.5 and not 37.5 or 42.5 as some say that I have read in this forum. Low end richness boils down to a too big pilot jet
     
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    What is a small leak at standstill and with the engine switched off may be a significant trickle of a leak whilst the engine is running and at operating temperature! I'd replace that hose and you might want to replace your other fuel hoses whilst your doing it. Be sure to use proper automotive fuel hose as anything else will allow the fuel to bleed out of the hose.
     
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    Well I'll be damned! I finished cleaning em' today and put em back on.

    I can honestly say that it goes like a new bike, the exhaust note has changed to a deeper one for some reason but boy does it pull, it pulls like it pulled when I first got it.

    On first start it kept dieing at idle and blew a shitload of white smoke and black smoke at high revs, after that I could smell carby cleaner at every traffic light but there was no more white or black smoke that I could notice.

    The ******* popping noise is still there however the bike pulls like crazy compared to how it used to pull. I have no idea how accurate I set my mixture but I put it just a bit off from 3 turns (was running rich before).

    I haven't even balanced the carbs yet and I think there might be a bit of a dead spot between 6 - 8k RPM but ******* oath she goes like she never has!

    Anyway, when I got home (10KM later) I could still smell carby cleaner. I need to ride it a bit more, see exactly what's going on and the fuel consumption. I even have a feeling that it's running a bit lean (Hence a lot of white smoke?)

    After giving it a fistfull, quickly slowing down at the lights and pulling in the clutch the idle goes down and sounds like it's going to die only to go back to normal idle, any ideas?
     
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    It's idling rich. Time to fine tune those idle mixture screws.
    If it hangs high then slowly drops down then it's running lean. If it drops below normal but then comes back up, it's rich.
     
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    Do the valve clearances anyway. It's not that hard (especially if you follow daves tutorial), and it might get rid of that flat spot in the rev range. It sure made a hell of a difference to how my bike rode when i did mine...
     
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    Yeah dave’s tutorial was a great help when I checked the clearances on the fizzer.

    I was thinking along the lines of crap getting stuck in the needle and seat hence the progressively rich mixture.

    Replace the plugs. Some of them might be fouled so wont fire properly and could still be causing the backfiring.
     
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    The flat spot is now gone <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. The thing is that it takes longer to warm up now, even think that it might be running a bit lean (I put each screw just a bit of 3 turns) and the bike seems to be wasting **** all petrol now (520KM) and **** all is gone from the tank but I gotta finish the whole tank and see the final result.

    The bloody thing goes much nicer now, black smoke is completely gone but there seems to be a bit of white smoke (Not much) at higher revs.
     

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