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not starting after emptying and re-filling tank

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  1. chiangstar

    chiangstar New Member

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    not at all... not that i know of <!-- s:???: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":???:" title="Confused" /><!-- s:???: --> i guess i could have bumped the idle screw...hmmm good call

    simon
     
  2. chiangstar

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    hey guys

    im still trouble shooting this carby problem... what exactly is involved in cleaning the carbs? i took the carbs out, the float bowls off and sprayed a shite load of carby cleaner in there including thru the jets but that didnt seem to do anything...

    im actually scared to touch things in there since, coming from EFI engines, ive never played with carbies before ... i have a couple of questions which i couldnt seem to find elsewhere in the forums...

    1. do the pilot and main jets actually screw out? so i can clean them properly?
    2. if so, do i have to get them back in the exact position when i screw them back in?
    3. what else beside spraying lots of carby cleaner around is necessary to "clean" the carbs?

    thanks guys, i do appreciate your help

    cheers

    simon
     
  3. Dan

    Dan New Member

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    i highly recomend you dont take out the jets unless u plan on replacing them, spraying carby cleaner down then should be fine, shine a torch in there and if looks clean enough id leave it.

    when you took the float bowls off, how clean was it? if it was clean no scum or watever then the carbies should be ok...

    if you do/have unscrewed the jets, they only need to be screwed in just finger tight, dont screw them in tightly at all!!!

    just an afterthought, is the current fuel regular unleaded or some form of premium? i had a similar problem with mine, that was caused by using premium fuel, if you have premium in, definately empty the tank and put regular in, might just solve your problems?
     
  4. chiangstar

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    its regular unleaded petrol...

    when i took off the float bowls, there was some brown dusty stuff in there that i cleaned out, i sprayed carby cleaner through the jets and it seemed to flow through them pretty easily... but its still not starting ...

    i emtpied over a can of carby cleaner in there... perhaps i need new jets...

    simon
     
  5. chiangstar

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    double post

    ok guys - update

    i took em out, sprayed more carby cleaner and tried again and it started on choke, with a bit of throtttle too... cyclinder 1 isnt firing but it started.

    so i guess it really was just clogged up jets... and still is...

    simon
     
  6. chiangstar

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    err... ok triple post....

    it works now... i took number 1 float bowl off and sprayed more carby cleaner thru the jets...

    the only problem i have now is start up... i think my carbs are still a bit gummed but at least it runs now...

    thanks for all your help fellas

    cheers

    simon
     
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    You can have as many post as you want Simon.
     
  8. chiangstar

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    hey guys

    my bike starts with choke on and stalls when i turn the choke off... are my pilot jets still gummed up?

    simon
     
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    How soon are you trying to turn the choke off?
    Is it possible the bike just hasnt yet warmed up enough to keep running?
     
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    well before i screwed around with it, id know when the bike was ready because if i flicked the throttle a little, the rpm would go up and stay high until i turned the choke off ...

    if i do that now, the bike stalls when i turn the choke off...

    its probly about 3 - 5 minutes

    simon
     
  11. koma

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    Sounds to me like your idle mixture screws are too far in.
    Did you 'screw' with them aswell? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
     
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    Mine stays on choke about 45-60 sec. then I let it idle about the same amount of time, then I go.
     
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    is it possible that some gunk is clogging the fuel line somewhere?

    The choke cuts air, meaning that the bike runs richer -> This would lead to a more optimal fuel / air mixture if a fuel line's blocked and it's normally running lean.

    (ie. running lean + choke = good fuel mixture)
     
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    heheh nah i didnt screw with the idle screws... i did play with the screw/dial thinggy thats outside the carbs, underneather the main fuel line going to the carbs... so that could be it... i tried readjusting that without much effect..

    so when i pull the choke on, does more air go into the mixture or more fuel??

    im thinking that the jets that are used at idle are blocked

    simon
     
  15. Casso

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    the choke does exactly as its name sugests - chokes the engine (reduces the amount of air going into the mixture).

    if your bike's running lean (as engines do when they're cold) then using the choke will make it run better.
    This is also why a properly tuned vehicle will run like crap if it's warmed up and the choke's on - it'll be running rich.
     
  16. koma

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    You mean the idle stop screw?
    Or the carb balance screw between the 2nd & 3rd cylinder?

    Regardless... it sounds like you've been tinkering where you shouldn't have. <!-- s:rofl: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl" /><!-- s:rofl: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
    First thing to do is to get it running, then find out if it's running lean or rich my playing with the choke and finding a point that it sounds like it's running properly. If the engine is warm, and the 'perfect point' has the choke still engaged then the engine is running lean as has been suggested before. If the bike just ever so slowly dies when you disengage the choke, then try increasing the idle speed and see if it stays running.

    I'd start off by making sure the idle mixture screws are set properly (3 turns out), then getting it running, and following the steps above. It's all just one big balancing act to get everything running smoothly. <!-- s:cool: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt=":cool:" title="Cool" /><!-- s:cool: --> <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling LoL" /><!-- s:roll: -->
     
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    hey koma,

    it was the carb balance screw between the 2nd and 3rd carby that i played with... how does that effect things?

    i didnt touch the idle mixture screws at all so i'm pretty sure thats not the problem...

    it will only run with the choke fully engaged even when its warm

    simon
     
  18. koma

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    Oh noes! <!-- s:???: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":???:" title="Confused" /><!-- s:???: --> <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

    Your gonna need to hook it back up to a set of vacuum gauges else it'll never run smoothly at this rate. Carby balancing is not really something you can just guess either... and i'd strongly advise against using the ball-bearing method.

    What happening right now is that cylinder 1 & 2 are receiving either too much or too little fuel, and 3 & 4 are getting the opposite. Your poor bike is rather confused right now. You can attempt to fix it by doing it by ear, but unless you really know what your aiming for... i'd be finding someone with vacuum gauges.
     
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    Are you sure you adjusted the balance screw? I mean, it needs a screwdriver to manipulate, the idle mixture is just a dial that you can turn with your hands..

    However it would cause issues not unlike what you are describing here.

    Regardless, perhaps you should take the jets out and manually clean them. Not too hard to do, just be gentle.
     
  20. chiangstar

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    hey timbus...

    yeah i dont know what it is, but it sounds to me that i was playing with the idle mixture... i seem to have a pretty good balance now because its idling off choke fine now.

    i also took the jets out yesterday and spray a shiteload of carby clener through them... a couple of them, while they werent blocked, did look like they had some sort of obstruction there... kind of a translucent film when i held them up to the light

    cheers

    simon
     

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