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Discussion in 'FZR250.com - Archives' started by benno, Sep 6, 2004.

  1. benno

    benno New Member

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    gday!
    im planning to buy a 250cc street bike. and really need some opinions and info to help me out.
    ive pretty much narrowed it down to the fzr and the cbr250r.
    i really dont want to get a cbr as everyone here in my small town of broken hill has a bloody cbr and i dont wanna be another one. however ive seemed to have found that the honda is probly the most reliable of the 250s.
    what i really want is the fzr because no one has one here and i reckon they look more awesome then the cbr. however....their reliablity doesnt SEEM to match up to the cbr.
    having a father as an ex motorbike mechanic is rather handy as he has had to rebuild my trail bike and do many repairs so lil troubles arent to much of a hassle.
    i have a few questions relating to the yammy that i was hoping you guys could clear up for me.
    Searching on bikepoint.com there are 3 categories. fzr250, fzr250r and fzr250rr. physically they all pretty much look the same. which one would be the way to go? keeping in mind i have to be able to blow away my stuck up arrogant cousin on his cbr250rr. ;)
    so yeah i pretty much need to know the differences in these 3 and which would be the most powerful.
    also do they sound awesome? i know my cousins cbr sounds pretty wickid, is the fzr pretty similar.
    as i live in a small country town 5 hours from anywhere! i cant really go to the city and take them for test rides so im pretty much taking what you have to say and purchasing based on that.
    one more thing
    on one website they say the power is a mere 20something HP and on another site its 45!!!
    im guessing this would be different models!

    i really really hope i can get some feedback as i really really like the yammy and i need you guys to seal the deal for me
    but do it honestly

    cheers guys!
     
  2. benno

    benno New Member

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    ok i feel silly

    i was searching this forum all night last night to find that info i was after and had no luck. as soon as a posted this post i found the post from timmy i think it was which pretty much answered all my questions! i couldnt believe it <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->
    so yeah thats pretty much made up my mind about gettin a 3ln from ultimatemotorcycles, sunstate or sumoto.
    does anyone have an issues with any of these dealers?
    cheers guys
     
  3. grendal

    grendal New Member

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    Your not looking at getting one private sale? u can get some real bargins if ur patient.

    The only problem id say u would have is gettings parts..being in a country town it might be hard as the fzr is an import..although some cbrs are as well so yeah. Most wreckers have most of the parts for them. The difference b/t fzr fzr250rr etc isn't much. the rr has dual disc brakes on the front and some other minor things.
     
  4. garfield2k

    garfield2k New Member

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    yes, grendal is rite, be patient and you will find a cheap one!
    i bought my 2kr for 3500 only to find that i could of bought a similar 3ln model for 3000!

    as for the reliability issue...i havent had a prob since i bought it cept a few that is expected from a newbie rider..
    its been faultless, runs perfect form idle to redline.

    the 250, 250r and rr versions r basically the same cept for a few differences..ie dual disc/calipers on the front, higher redline(18k i think) for the rr etc..
    i dont think the fzr makes 20hp, mor elike 45 so mayb its a mistake. all models make the same power.

    regarding those dealers, they will charge more since they import n compliance them....also could b dodgy aas they sometimes buy damaged bikes n fix them, so u need to look at them closely.

    boz posted in one of the other posts a guy that deals mainly with fzrs so checjk him out, mite find a bargain. if ur in melb, check out clipstone yamaha in ringwood, they usually have a few fzrs.

    anyway, gl with finding an fzr!

    dave
     
  5. benno

    benno New Member

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    check these

    ive narrowed down to 2 bikes i really like.
    this one is from clipstone yamaha which you recomended and has 10months rego and what looks to be an aftermarket pipe.

    <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesales/!bike_content.display_bike?service_id=160&total_rec=16&current_rec=1&order_by=make_name+%3Asort_order%2Cmodel_name+%3Asort_order%2C+bike_id+desc&sort_type=ASC&bike_id=16931&multi_flag=0&make_id=83&model_id=1598">http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesal ... el_id=1598</a><!-- m -->

    (holy shite, i just copied and pasted the url. hope it still works)

    or this one from ultimatemc who are importers. personally i like this colour scheme better... but, it has no rego and no aftermarket pipe but more expensive.

    <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://bikepoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=69975&TabID=3424&Alias=bikepointau">http://bikepoint.ninemsn.com.au/Desktop ... ikepointau</a><!-- m -->

    i dunno if you guys can tell much just from these ads. but if anyone has any opions on them as they are the 2 im seriously looking at.

    btw i was just thinkin. as i live like 9hours from melb, what if one of you guys from melb...could go take the clipstone one for a test ride for me and tell me what you reckon!
    you wouldnt believe how grateful i would be!

    thanks guys
     
  6. Dean

    Dean Active Member

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    I thought I might add the FZR sound for you, this is my bike with stock exhaust. I have a FZR 250 (3LN-1 ) 89 model. Btw I just got my bike cam mount up.. damn awesome.! <!-- s:alcoholic: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_all_coholic.gif" alt=":alcoholic:" title="Alcoholic" /><!-- s:alcoholic: -->

    http://www.yamahaforever.com/attachments/forum/FZR2501.wmv
     
  7. sandog

    sandog New Member

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    dean, dont mean to be a copy cat, but how da ****! did you mount the camera on your bike and what sort of camera are you using. The footage was wicked and the sound was awesome, Ivebeen wanting to mount a camera on the bike for sometime now. Orsm stuff
     
  8. sandog

    sandog New Member

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    oh and benno, having looked att he ads, dont forget the year of the bike they say is often the compliance date, the bike is more than likely much older. I have a 3LN and it was a 1992 build. The prices on those bikes looks about $1500-2000 more than what you COULD get a 3LN for. I picked up mine for $4500 with rego n arranty from Spot on in elizabeth st and these guys are charging bout $6k. Id be wary of Sumoto, the prices of the bikes are fairly on the high side. your paying for a new paintjob (smetimes) and the fact they market themselves as a 'boutique' 250/learner dealer.good luck dude, keep hunting, <!-- s:sniper: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_snipersmilie.gif" alt=":sniper:" title="Sniper" /><!-- s:sniper: -->
     
  9. Boz

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    agreed on what sandog said - those prices are relatively high for a grey import. A respray will cost about $600 or something, so I wouldn't worry about the paint job - go for one with fewer k's and cheaper. For example:
    http://bikepoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=70191&TabID=200374&Alias=bikepointau

    Looking at bikepoint.com.au the only people who are advertising fzr250rr's and fzr250r's are SUMOTO, and usually the 'r' or 'rr' designation is just paint. There is a model of fzr that redlines at 21 000 as opposed to 18 000, but the 'rr' or 'r' designation doesn't always indicate this. I would be wary of sumoto as well - I have heard of people buying a bike through them only to find out that the bike is over $2000 cheaper elsewhere.

    Just so you know fzr250's were not manufactured past 1994. Thus whatever you buy is going to be a 10 year old bike, though some have never been ridden. This isn't a real problem, but a 2004 compliance bike will be older than a 2002 cbr.

    Another reason to go cheaper is after a year you will want more than 45 hp (same for all models). So you will also have to consider resale value. It is harder to sell an import, so resale value will likely be lower. THis is not a problem, but does mean you shouldn't pay as much as a cbr to begin with.

    And just so you know - fzr's are pretty much comparable to cbr's in terms of performance. I think fzr's look nicer, are more unique, sound better (even stock cans don't sound as much like a bee on a fzr compared to cbr's). Really if you want to blow away a cbr it comes down to the riders skill assuming the bike is tuned properly.
     
  10. sandog

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    oh i found a couple of other bikes for ya. this comes with no rego but for for an extra 500 its worth it. check it out.
    <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesales/!bike_content.display_bike?service_id=160&total_rec=15&current_rec=11&order_by=make_name+%3Asort_order%2Cmodel_name+%3Asort_order%2C+bike_id+desc&sort_type=ASC&bike_id=15028&multi_flag=0&make_id=83&model_id=1598">http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesal ... el_id=1598</a><!-- m -->

    also, go to autotrader.com.au. they had a whole stack of FZRs for sale but only about 3/4 had pics. they ar emuch more reasonably priced than anything i saw at bikepoint. another tip, just pic up a mag like just bikes i think its called. They dont normally have too manyFZR's (which is what makes us special yeah?) but you can usually ifnd a bargain in there
     
  11. benno

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    another one

    hey guys
    youve been really helpful
    im sorry if this is turning into a "waddaya think of this one waddaya think of that one " but i really do value your opinions.
    ive found this private sale with like you said low kms and cheap price and its even got a nice paintjob
    <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesales/!bike_content.display_bike?service_id=160&total_rec=6&current_rec=1&order_by=make_name+%3Asort_order%2Cmodel_name+%3Asort_order%2C+bike_id+desc&sort_type=ASC&bike_id=18401&multi_flag=0&make_id=83&model_id=1598&badge_id=30654">http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesal ... e_id=30654</a><!-- m -->
    any suggestions?

    i just rang clipstone about that other one and its like 300 bucks freight from melbourne to mildura...yukk....so i scrapped that one. considering ultimatemc is offering $100 freight from QLD

    thanks again guys!
    hope to hear your opinion on this new one
    lol
     
  12. Boz

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    About that last bike you posted - I personally am not a big fan of replica bikes. If you can't go as fast as Rossi, then why make it seem like you can... But then again if you want to show your support...

    Other than that though the bike looks like it is in good condition though from the pictures. The tires may not have much life left in them - hard to tell really in the pics though. But even that is a minor problem - only about $300 to replace both. The rest sounds quite good.

    If you do consider any of these bikes without test riding them I would suggest that you get the owner to organise a road-worthy certificate. This should pick up most of the major problems (if any) with the bike. If the owner says no, then I would pass it by (note: the owner can get an estimate for a roadworthy, and if you think the price is reasonable then the owner may pass the cost on to you). The only reason I say this is it would be terrible if you buy a bike without RWC, only to find it needs $1000 of work. The reason many people sell bikes without registration is that it is illegal to sell a bike in Victoria with registration unless it already has a RWC - so they sell it without...
     
  13. sandog

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    yeah the bike looks aight, but like boz said, im not a huge fan of bikes that are replicas if they dont replicate the speed n sound hehe. but, considering that you were willing to pay $6,000 before, maybe you ccan bargain the guy down a few hundred then spend a bit of money on a fresh paint job. Its def goin cheap, like boz said get it checked out in case there's something wrong ith it, maybe it has'nt got a motor hehe
     
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    im not a big fan of replicas also but it looks in ok condition...
    this is gonna b a respray so it would have been dropped n repaired.

    im thinking bout selling mine and upgrading.....but its a 2kr...not sure if ur interested...but check out the ride events section...go to melb cruise page 2..its the purple 2kr...lol..

    pm me if u want details...

    dave
     
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    What are you looking at replacing it with dave? Im guessing ur gonna wait till ur off ur p's so u can get a bigger bike? How long away is that?
     
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    not sure yet tho...been eyein this nice yzf600...looks quite nice...!
    ill definately b upgrading to a 600 tho...
    as fro wen im off restrictions...3mths till off p's so dont have to display them anymore..
    but another 3 months on top of that b4 im off restrictions.. <!-- s:mad: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":mad:" title="Mad" /><!-- s:mad: -->

    but who knows...my gf needs a car...n since i live near uni n she works..we mite buy a car...

    if u know any1 thats interested...let me know...

    dave
     
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    Ok cool..how much u looking at seelings urs for?
     
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    Go the yzf!!! Now being on the yzf 750 I can say that they are fabulous.

    And don't restrict yourself to the 600's. There are quite a few 750's that are quite suitable as well - never know what you would find. (looking in the 750 range will allow you to consider the gsx-f, gsx-r, yzf750, etc). Though the power and bike size can be daunting, it does not take long to get used to... I rode one 900 (rf) and a few 1000's (fzr, yzf, and vtr) when looking and settled on the 750 only because it was such a good deal.
     
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    thanks for that boz...ill definately check them out..

    as for my bike...im thinkin bout 3500? not sure if ill get that tho..


    bikes im considering: fzr600(mite b a bit old) yzf, gsxr600 n the usual fair of naked bikes too...they seem a bit more comfortable than the fzr...n if i get a bike the gf has to b comfy or she'll want to get a car@!

    wats limiting me is my height..168cm..so yeah....

    anyway...catcha round..

    dave
     

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