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Pinned C/Shaft Sprocket for FZR 3LN3-5-6-7 & Zeal

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by maelstrom, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. Grasshopper

    Grasshopper Well-Known Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    This is what I asked them... Best to follow up with a ph. call tomorrow, which I will do...

    I am searching for a sprocket (on behalf of a number of FZR owners) which closely matches the original FZR 250 3LN3 (and later - '90 - '94'). Yamaha changed the shaft length on the later models, which changed the width of the sprocket from 7mm to 9mm. All the suppliers know nothing about this, and seem to just supply the 7mm sprocket for all FZR 250 models, which is in fact not correct (we have removed an original Yamaha sprocket and and proven this).

    Are you able to supply a sprocket as follows: (17 teeth is standard)
     
  2. maelstrom

    maelstrom LiteTek Staff Member Premium Member 250cc Vendor Contributing Member

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    Your enquiry is very clear, Grasshopper.
    I think just scratch them off the list and move on.
     
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    Yeah, I think your right... will keep looking
     
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    As u have mentioned before I think Blair..... I wonder if theres someone at Yamaha Japan that would actually answer our queries.

    The fact the front sprocket part # being the same for all 250 models is clearly incorrect
     
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    Response from Renthal:

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    Hello Blair,

    Thank you for your enquiry.

    I nor Renthal can confirm these fitments without new chain wheels for comparison with our broaches and test shafts.
    Theories below are offered for brainstorming purposes only.
    I nor Renthal can confirm these options without access to a suitable machine for test purposes.
    Any up-take on the below potential would be at your own risk and should be carried out by trained personnel ;

    On the face of it appears you have a Renthal 366 fitment with a 428 chain pitch, thereby being a 366- -428-17P
    Unfortunately Renthal never produced this pattern / pitch size combination.
    However, Renthal still produce a 366- -520-13GP and 366- -520-14GP, thereby requiring you to run 520 chain.

    Our distributor B&C express will be able to sell you one of these for around £15 for your technician to confirm the fitment.
    Assuming the FCW fits, I would suggest the 366- -520-14GP is the better option for a road bike (assuming you have space in the FCW housing).
    The larger tooth count means each link has angular movement to achieve, resulting in less wear amongst other things.

    Assuming you are able to confirm the fitment, you'll then need a matching 520 rear CW.
    The standard fitting for a Yamaha FZR250 EXUP (3LN) is a "Renthal 175" and with the 520 pitch you'll need less teeth.
    Renthal no longer produce the 175 range as the turnover does not justify them, but B&C can make them under licence.
    Based on this, the RCW 175- -525-46P-HA with the teeth back face skimmed to 520 pitch will give you a close match to stock ratios.
    If you have to go for the 13 tooth, a 43 tooth rear might be a more appropriate match.
    B&C express can be contacted on 01522 791 369.

    Kind regards

    Kevin

    Kevin Gladstone
    Product and Pricing Specialist

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    I wasn't clear enough about the number of teeth. At least they can be bothered to give a comprehensive answer. Doesn't sound like any option except the 520. But maybe if they know the correct number of teeth it might make a difference. I think it will be also necessary to confirm that the thickness of the sprocket is exactly 9mm. Now that I have an email I can send Mr Grey's images of the different shafts. Can someone take a pic of the two different sprockets being measured (thickness) and I will send them too.
    cheers
    Blair
     
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    The 520 option is probably the simplest. Look on the bright side, the chain and sprockets will last a lot longer.
     
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    Well who knew that sprocket thickness could be such a problem? The yamaha part number is clearly wrong, and the manufacturers/distributors are none the wiser.
     
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    Been watching this thread with interest, as finding compatible parts for old bikes from the grey import market seems to require a high level of proficiency in Google-Fu!

    Confirming a compatible part number for the missing/chopped-up mudguard on my FZR400 3TJ took several hours of intensive research and checking parts diagrams on obscure websites with the help of Google Translate. Luckily it turned out the FZR250 one I had already bought from the local wreckers was a match! :thumb_ups:

    I wouldn't want to have no option replace a factory-fitted disposable part like a drive chain sprocket with a used one. Hopefully there are no surprises like that in store with the 400!

    Does anyone here read and write technical Japanese and have contacts with Yamaha Japan?
     
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    The only thing is that the chain rubs on other parts if sprocket is too small. Im sure this is also the reason we saw 520 chains/sprockets on a couple of our fizzers... I'm using the 430 chain with a washer/spacer.... but it's not technically correct.. but so far is seems to work ok
     
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    @TechHeadFred if you get stuck with parts for your 3TJ let me know because I will be throwing a lot of mine away.
     
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    Cheers @maelstrom will keep that in mind. Seems pretty complete, luckily!
     
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    I may have that one already. Will check it out after I get home from work.
     
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    Correct Murdo, it seems to be a common size.
    I actually found lots of them for Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawaski but no thick ones except the 10mm example that I posted.
     
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    Re the 520 chain conversion.
    Since the pitch on the 520 chain is 5/8" pin to pin and the 428 is 1/2", a 17 tooth 428 has the same diameter as a 13.6 tooth 520. It would be impossible to fit a 17 tooth 520 on a fizzer. So a 14 tooth or 13 tooth countershaft sprocket will be the choice and then you will have to go down on the number of teeth at the back to get the correct gearing. Maths courtesy of Kevin at Renthal not me.
     
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    Yes, that's exactly what we found on a couple of the Fizzers with a 520 chain...
     
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    I dont see the issue here. I am approaching 5000k's with a standard sprocket on my 3LN3 that I ordered from slipstream. I have had no issues, no rubbing, no noises, no problems with acceleration or deceleration to suggest any sort of misgivings in the chain/sprocket system I have on it currently. Surely I would have seen it by now if their really was a problem. I didn't fit a spacer, however, I also didn't measure how wide it was.

    Call me blissfully ignorant, but I really don,t see the problem, because I believe, if there was one, I would have come across it now. And thinking about how many fizzers are in Oz, and how many sprockets and chains would have been replaced in that time (take a second to really think about these numbers, no, really think) we would have been seeing hundreds, if not thousands of sprocket/chain/shaft problems. So, the question is, Why havent we?

    Like I said, I could be blissfully ignorant on this.

    Now where is my lucky piece of wood I touch.....
     
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