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Bringing an Across Back to Life

Discussion in 'Suzuki 250cc In-line 4's' started by Pygmygod, Mar 22, 2015.

  1. Pygmygod

    Pygmygod Well-Known Member

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    The other thing I noticed whilst pulling her apart is that I'm fairly certain it's the 1990 model :(
    This may explain the pads not being thick enough as the pads were for the 1991 and up models.
     
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    As far as the ovrevving, it sounds like there's a big air leak, it'll be on an inlet tube, not familiar with the model, but the part that the carbs bolt onto, it should be fairly obvious as it sounds like a big leak or install the airbox & see if she settles down, it's a must with the CV carbs
    Maybe the chokes are stuck open ??
    I wouldn't shim the pads, it'll be a sticky caliper piston, probably rust & not retracting squarely when the pressure is released when you let off the lever, you should pull the calipers apart & clean them, install new rubbers & she'll be good. You'll end up with uneven wear on the pads & the braking force will be less than 100%. It's a simple job, maybe even do the master cylinder while your at it. Have some fine wet & dry on hand to hone the culinder around a slightly smaller drill bit. Use the same wet & dry & your finger to give the caliper cylinder a rub up too. The p[iston on;y moves a mm or so in the operation so look at where the rubber O ring sits & works & make it neat & clean.
     
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    Thanks for the reply.

    I had previously removed the caliper pistons, cleaned it all, wet & dried them, bled with new fluid.
    The pistons are moving quite easily...in fact too easily, they fall out if you unbolt the caliper and remove the brake pad.

    Does this suggest that the caliper piston seals have shrunk/hardened/whatever over time and being left out in the weather and are not providing a snug fit for the pistons anymore?
     
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    Whoa, they should be tight, they should be pretty difficult to remove, often used is air pressure to pop them out, thats when they are clean & fresh. If they fall out, how don't they leak ? The pistons would fall out if there were no rubbers. Is it a piston sitting on a rubber cup the same size as the cylinder? or does the piston have a groove around it with a square rubber o ring ?
     
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    I had to pop them out with the compressor on the bleed nipple.
    I'll take a pic to show you what I mean about them being loose.
    When I installed them after cleaning them out they bled and even held brake pressure via the lever etc.
     
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    Ok false alarm there Will. It was the internal plastic thing inside the caliper piston which is falling out easy once pads are removed. The pistons themselves are still in there snug and when I pull the brake lever they both slowly push their way out like they should do.
    Here's the pictures of what I'm talking about.
    And also a picture of the part which is scraping on the rotor. It's the little caliper clip things which are scraping on the rotor.

    I had a closer look and from what I can make out the pad closest to the rim has too much meat on it cause it's brand new, this leaves a minute gap between where the caliper bolts to the fork so it's pushing the pad/pistons in further than they should.
     
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    These are the inner black plastic things I had mistaken. They aren't the piston.
    Across Front Brake (1).JPG

    Here you can see where the pad closest to the pistons should go, and the 2 anti-rattle clips or whatever they are which the rotor is rubbing on:
    Across Front Brake (2).JPG

    Here's a closeup of the pad closest to pistons and the little clips which are rubbing the rotor:
    Across Front Brake (4).JPG

    And here's a pic of the damage the clips are doing to the rotor:
    Across Front Brake (5).JPG

    I noticed that when I have the caliper unbolted from the fork I can push the rear pad further toward the rim side and allow a gap so the clips don't scrape.
    But when I install the caliper the threads on the fork leg require to push the rear pad section in a bit in order to bolt up the caliper.
    This leads me to believe that the rear pad is actually too thick/too much meat...?

    Across Front Brake (6).JPG
     
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    Are you sure the anti rattle clips are in the right way?
    If they are, can you just bend them so they don't drag on the disc?
     
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    From here, yopu've got an issue with a dust seal / rubber, I can see a seal all screwed up & there's a bit of damp all round.
    You'll find one is sticking due to the screwed up seal.
    pull her all apart & replace all the rubbers & see how she goes.
    A seal kit should come with a sachet of rubber grease to lube up the cylinder & rubbers when you re assemble it.
    The plastic things are ok, they are there do distance the heat from the fluid, they look to be in good condition.
     
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    Here's a video of it finally running:
     
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    That's a good steady stream of oil getting into the combustion chamber/chambers.
    More than likely it's valve stem seals & the valves would need a clean up at least with a lapping in.
    All a simple job for an engine shop if you get the head off & put it back together yourself.
    That's a new head gasket & valve stem seals not a biggy if your a bit handy.
     
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    Damn.
    Have replaced the head gasket the other week.
    Can I take head off then get to valves then use that grinding paste stuff on them to lap them in or is it more involved than that?
     
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    Take it out for a good blast first.
     
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    Ok. Will try that first to burn off any excess I may have lying around from the rebuild.

    If still smoking then I assume it's these pieces I'm replacing next?

    Part 16: 09289-04001 and maybe this? Part 13: 12933-05C01

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    Give a ride for at least half an hour to get the engine up to operating temp. This will burn off any contaminates in the exhaust and get gaskets/seals settled. Also check your oil level as too much can cause smoking.
     
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    All good advice.
    Try some of that Three Bond in a spray can, I know it as Subaru Upper Engine Cleaner, $20 from any Subaru dealer. It seems that they spray it into the inlets & get it all through there, maybe it'll clean up the stems & seals & soak into the seats & do some good there too ??
    If you do end up doing the head & valve seats you'll be up for valve clearance shims too, as you loose or gain length with the valve depending on the amount of machining that's necessary the clearances will change, something the head shop can do if you can't.
     
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    Ok thanks guys.

    Cheers Will, can do re-shimming too. I have one of those hotcams kits for my dirtbike, it and the CBR and Across have the same size. Lucky they are all 250's :D

    $20 Subaru one sounds cheaper than the ThreeBond one. I think that's around the $25-27 mark from Repco/Bursons etc.?
     
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    Thanks!
     
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