Discussion The Death of Motorcycles?

FIXED it for you..... and again...

 

Interesting that Seb Vettell took Old Red 5 (Nigell Mansell's World chamionship winning V10) for a blast around Silverstone last week... the screaming V10 running on a fully sustainable Carbon Neutral E Fuel...
It also appears that common thinking is that the future will NOT be Electric but a combination of Hybrid, Hydogen or Hybrid, E fuel... Here in Australia there are limitations like not many other places... being such a large continent and our population in little clusters mostly dotted around the Coastline. We travel large distances in many cases... For me to be able to my job I need a vehicle that will cover up to 1000km (or close to it) in a day and be able to be re-fueled in a short period (5 minutes to fill up with diesel and pay for it). Electric or any other viable non petroleum fuel is a very, very long way from being able to that, and that is the case for a good proportion of the population... not to mention those that haul 3.5 tonnes of caravan around etc.

 

Probably correct... unfortunately any of the alternatives are going to consume a lot of power... at least in Tasmania there is a viable option of Hydro.
Interesting that nobody looks at the production costs associated with Petrol or Diesel.. .I wonder how they stack up against the energy cost to produce E-fuels or Hydrogen.
I have stayed away from the discussion on current renewable power as I am not a fan of either Solar or Wind, I consider both to be a blight on our beautiful countryside.
It used to be that the big Oil Companies had such a hold on the world that any alternatives were swept under the carpet.
I am sure that the brilliant minds out there will arrive a viable alternatives to ensure traditional transport methods (ICE) will still be with us for a very long time.

 

I dont know that the figures can be interpreted in that way, it is a very simplistic view... what size of EV? There is a vast difference to charging a baby Hyundai or Nissan to that of a Full size Tesla, Rivian, Range Rover etc, not to mention the coming Ford E250 and Chevy, Dodge Ram equivalents just the same as there are variations in the size of vehicles that would use e-fuel or currently consume petrol or Diesel. I doubt the current infrastructure would even cope with a large influx of EV's considering there were massive blackouts last summer and at the beginning of winter due to Electical supply issues. Then there is the rising cost of Electricity...
Plus, how many people with vehicles "only" travel 10,000km per year? Between my wife and I we are up over 70,000 a year.
I live in a regional area but even when I was in Sydney the km were similar. If it werent for floods etc this year (and having a car waiting for parts for 6 months) I would have done 75000 myself so generalising on XXX cars doing XXXkm per year for XXX energy has no real relevance.
You then have the fact there are no set "standards" for EV chargers.. there have been instances here where someone drove up from Melbourne only to find the available "public" chargers didnt work on her car... she had to have the car towed nearly 80km away to a place that had a suitable charing facility... No doubt these things will change... but it wont be overnight.
I am not saying EV "only", wont happen... but I doubt it will... there will be other alternatives that will prove to be more efficient, cheaper to produce etc as time goes on. The Death of motorcycles soon.... hopefully not in my lifetime.

 

I have stayed away from the discussion on current renewable power as I am not a fan of either Solar or Wind, I consider both to be a blight on our beautiful countryside.

Nah, it's all good...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

Personally, I don't think ICE machines are doomed just yet, but the good wife and I have discussed our next car and it will be a hybrid. Like Andy, I can't afford to have something that won't do long distances and takes forever to charge, so a hybrid gives me the best of both world's economy and distance. If it's eFuel or some other carbon neutral and non-toxic alternative doesn't concern me. What concerns me is how much of a hit it is to the hip pocket. I watched a good doco about Graphene batteries the other day, so I'm of the opinion that fast charging and lite weight batteries aren't too far away.

https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-batteries-explained-1070096/

I think I'd like to try and retro fit an electric drive to an older bike to keep the look and try the quiet. One day?

Didn't Tesla (the person) find a way to 'charge' the entire planet? I seem to recall everyone would have a 'lightning rod' sticking out of their homes and that would power everything. I might have dreamt that, but if I didn't, then that would get around all the infrastructure issues associated with electric vehicles. In the end, no-one is interested in anything they can't make a buck out of, so the chance of the authorities doing what's best for the planet is linked to how rich they can get while doing it.

 

That is because there is no welfare here. People have to survive.

Bingo, we have a winner. There's nothing like hunger to put everything into perspective! Nobody is interested in renewable this and sustainable that when their children are starving to death.

That is 1/5 of the total electricity generating capacity of Tasmania.
Power in TAS is mostly Hydro as Andy pointed out. And, somehow, we're linked to the mainland electricity grid? I think we export power to the mainland? Meanwhile, in our area, we get brownouts and blackouts every couple of weeks just to remind us of how it felt living 60 years ago! And, power in TAS is NOT cheap. TAS has a population of just over 520,000 people and other than the two big cities that have gas infrastructure/supplies for heating [Hobart (population 260,000 approx.) and Launceston (population 66,000)] heating in all other areas is mostly done through burning trees. It's only been in the last few years that government rules have promoted heat pumps (split system aircon) instead of fireplaces be included in new homes and retrofitted to existing ones. I hope the e-fuel thing takes off down here, so go Porsche. I have a few hobby bikes that I'd like to keep riding until I can't ride no more.

Sorry to drag the thread off course again.

 

Peter, I think what your post does is to highlight how easy it can be to get some statistical info a bit askew and it gives a very different outcome... and it is very easy for people or groups who are passionate about the subject to take the wrong info and use it to justify their position..and I guess it has always been that way and will most likely not change...
Now I wonder if a Hydrogen powered V8 will still sound like a V8??? Hmmmm

 

Its a race engine but it sounds pretty good... there is hope

 

Some added info about what F1 are doing in terms of 100% synthetic and renewable fuels for 2026. Seeing as that is when Porsche and Audi will also enter F1 (confirmation pending) it might add some light onto what Porsche are doing in Tasmania...
Who said Racing doesnt have relevance to the real world...
https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-...47cXbFFWN9JPqNz-lH2gfuBPN0lLsa7-0EbMK1Bw5nzvI