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Discussion The Death of Motorcycles?

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by maelstrom, Jul 1, 2022.

  1. maelstrom

    maelstrom LiteTek Staff Member Premium Member 250cc Vendor Contributing Member

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    In 2030 the UK will ban the sale of new ICE powered vehicles, including motorcycles. The Europeans will do the same. If you live in one of the 'advanced' countries and want to get yourself a new motorcycle, not an electric thing, then you better get on it. How will this pan out in the rest of the world? I have no idea but probably not like the UK. What will the factories do? Keep making bikes that sell in millions to the rest of the world I guess.

    By the way, I know that some of you think you are saving the planet with your electric blowbag, so here are some facts for you. The UK in 2020 produced 0.95% of global CO2 emissions, with transport(car, trucks, planes etc) being 25% of that tiny number. In other words 0.2375% of global CO2 emissions come from UK transport.

    So what do you think our beloved motorcycle industry will look like in ten years?
     
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    Ah yes... the great Electric Vehicles will save the world theory... I wont go down that discussion path as it is a very deep hole.
    Suffice to say I am glad I have a new bike on the way that will probably be my last "new" bike purchase and I fully intend it to be my forever bike (for now anyway).
    I did read an article yesterday about Salt Motorcycles (Aussie manufacturer) apparently being in the process of designing a 1200cc Turbo charged V8 for motorcycle use that will run exclusively on Hydrogen.
    One of the major shareholders in Salt is a heavyweight in the Mining Sector and Green Hydorgen Power is starting to take hold there and this has prompted the motorcycle engine design...
    It may not happen but it is good to know that there will be alternatives to the whine of an electric motor... and the emmissions for that alternative is WATER....
    https://amcn.com.au/editorial/salt-...YdiAeI0HlpKlvaHFBFcRN6sv-cVsyF5aYv9kSkFUleVNc
     
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    Not really much of a hole when you look at the facts, which not many do. I know this is bordering on a political discussion but it should not be. It doesn't matter whether you lean left or right, the whole thing should be based on facts and not emotion. Did you see JCB's hydrogen conversion for earthmoving equipment? That is an ICE engine, so will the UK ban it in 2030 too?

    1200cc V8 turbocharged motorcycle engine? Whaaaaaat? Where do you put the tank? Anyway, motorcycles in Aus are probably 0.0000001% of the problem so I don't know what the motivation for this is. Might be a useful test bed. I hope that my kids will be using 'homebrew' e-fuel kits to fill the tanks of the bikes that I leave to them.
     
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    I agree but unfortunately "facts" are of little relevance when emotive discussions such as this come up... I sell Solar Pumping systems and while some of them are justifiable due to the cost of getting power to the site many are bought and installed to ease the conscience of many who think that it will help... little do they know that the power required to manufacture a Solar Panel and then disppose of it when it has reached the end of its useful life (around 10 to 15 years) will exceed the energy that panel will produce in its lieftime... Hopefully common sense will prevail but given the UK's stubborness I doubt it.
     
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    Arrrrrgh... even Ducati are getting on the Electric train
     
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    Toyota’s New 455HP Hydrogen V8
    Built in collaboration with Yamaha. Go on Yamaha, make a hydrogen R1 so we can all throw rocks at the stupid Ducati.
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    I am not wanting this thread to be a climate change debate. I am such a nice bloke :) that I am going to cede that ground, so let's just work on the assumption that the Earth will explode in a great ball of fire in 2100 coz Greta told us. Good, now that we have gotten past that, let's talk about our beloved vehicles. This is a good video that addresses the elephant in the room. Where does all that nasty CO2 come from?
     
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    After how the world's government's reacted to the pandemic, you'd have to say anything is possible. I wouldn't put it past the 'authorities' to ban petrol fuel production and force all of us down one of those 'other' paths. It won't be any good having a petrol powered bike unless you can get petrol. Also, I am past caring anymore.
     
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    About 40 years ago, during one of the petrol strikes/shortage scares of the 80's, I remember running my car on kero!
    Petrol was in very scarce supply but kero was still available at the pump. As a student at the time, anything was worth a try so that I could go on a drive with my mates. I filled the tank with kero and carried a 4L tin of petrol that I used as a starting fluid.
    I would removed the air cleaner and splash some petrol in prior to a cold start. When the car was warm, it would happily start on kero. It would of course chuff out interesting coloured smoke and smell like a kero heater, but it worked.
    The cops gave us some funny looks as we sailed past down practically empty streets on the way to the beach.

    The point of this, is that I am sure that we will find a way to enable us to continue to enjoy our precious ICE vehicles for quite a few more years yet. But there may come a time, long after most of us are dead I suspect, where our vehicles do become interesting museum pieces. Much like analogue, b&w TVs and analogue mobile phones.
     
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    Haha, we will be a bunch of geriatric Mad Maxers.
     
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    Good riddance to the 4 Strokes.
    I have been driving my wife's electric car for the last 9 years and we would never go back to a fossil car.
    Looking forward to some great electric motorcycles.
    But so far only the VINS EV-01 and Stark Varg have interested me.
    https://vinsmotors.com/en/ev-01/
     
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    @mboddy
    "Good riddance to the 4 Strokes"
    When 2 strokes were made extinct just as they were on the verge of switching to fuel injection, I was extremely pissed off. These brilliant machines wiped off the map by virtue signalling morons who knew absolutely nothing, and that is what politicians and their bureaucrats are.

    Now it is the turn of the 4 strokes, so this thread is about the fact that the end of our motorcycles is happening faster than we may have expected, so you better get one before it is banned by your nanny state. It is not about whether some of us think that our toasters are better, or which toaster you are going to buy. I suggest you start your own thread about these great new appliances.
     
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    I don't think I have room for any more motorcycles.
    A good friend is buying a new Salt 2 Stroke soon.
    The VINS 250cc 2 Stroke is even better than their electric.
    Both are injected.
     
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    personally i would like to own a elec bike as from all the reports the speed and acceleration are amazing BUT would definitly want to keep my petrol guzzaling , exhaust belching other bikes ,all this save the planet by going elec is fobar to a large degree , as said solar panels cost way more in energy than what they produce and create a waste problem .the large amount of batteries needed for cars/trucks and bikes is another thing as well needing rare earths (they are called rare for a reason) ... even if we were all riding old smokers the amount of polution put out is tiny compared to industry who brought in carbon credits to cover their arses while putting the blame on us the people while finding another way to make money ,i think petrol motors will be around for a long time yet as no real alternative has come up yet except maybe hydrogine .. what will happen in the mean time will be a increase in taxes like the london tax .. ie costs to take a car/bike into the city to reduce the pollution ... sorry if this bordors on political but this drive to make people switch over to elec especially elec bikes is to a large degree political BUT as said still wouldnt mind one in my stable
     
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    My motorcycles are my hobby. I haven't used them as regular transport for many years.
    My race fuel comes in 19 litre tins and costs $3 per litre. I am happy to pay that.
    Currently petrol is $2.30 per litre in Canberra. Most people are not pleased about that.
    By the end of the year it could be $3.
    That is why if you got your Tesla or Hyundai electric car this year you can now sell it for more than you paid for it.
    The higher petrol and diesel costs the quicker people will move to electric.
    As more people move the fuel costs will keep going up.
    Who will drive a fossil vehicle when fuel is $10 per litre. How many petrol stations will still exist.
    Eventually it will all be in 19 or 20 litre tins.
    I will still be keen to put fuel in my hobby motorcycles at $10 per litre or more.
    But most people won't pay that.
    How long until fuel is $10 per litre?
     
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    What was the topic again????
     
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    The death of fossil motorcycles.
     
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