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Info Suzuki 250 Across - GSX250 the secret to decent mileage

Discussion in 'Suzuki 250cc In-line 4's' started by ozbiker, Nov 10, 2012.

  1. ozbiker

    ozbiker New Member Premium Member

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    guys,
    having owned my suzuki 250 across GSX250F i have finally cracked the secret to getting decent fuel economy on the bike

    after much testing and riding i have discovered i can adjust the needles in the carby to the leneast postion (all the way to the top) and the bike runs fine, the colour of the plugs is fine and the exhaust goes a grey colour instead of pitch black.

    i can now get around 220 kays per 12 litres of fuel , about 5.45 litres of fuel to the 100 kilometers of tar you ride across.

    oh yeah, it also helps if you pull the carby to bits & clean it. a good soaking in "simple green" works well

    buy simple green from bunnings

    http://www.simplegreen.com/
     
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    Cool, have you achieved that on multiple fill ups? Occasionally i can still crack the 200k on stock settings (rarely haha)

    Might have to give it a go on one fill up as knocking it from the third (stock) notch to the second from the top made a pretty hefty difference!
     
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    yep mate, it works a treat. i saw the same thing mentioned at one of the japan web sites i posted here the other week, im positive it was the guy who did over 300,000k on his across he had photos of his odometer when he did fuel up's about the same mileage, about 220k between fuel up
     
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    the stock settings are so damn rich is not funny. mind you.suzi needed to build the bike so it would go any where after it left the factory and work.the stock settings are *WAY* to rich for people like me who live on the coast. lean it up a bit, it runs fine, no flat spots, and get a bit extra mileage for your buck at the pump
     
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    Yeah, would be inclined to agree. The change to the 2nd notch was great, i dunno why i didn't try it again on the first notch in retrospect (probably too lazy lol).

    Got a link to the page that mentions it?
     
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    i did not save the exact page that talks about the fuel economy with the photos of the odometer, however, if you look thru this 250cc web site i did post a few links not long ago with some stuff in japan.in there is a link to the guys blog who did 300,000k have a look thru it, im positive thats where i saw it
     
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    righty-O well, just tried it now. My thoughts thus far:

    - Needs to run longer on the choke, shows it was a bit rich overall.
    - Much much snappier through the mid range and runs alot cleaner overall. The midrange flatspot is a bit less noticable.

    I'll test to see if it's cured the high temperature missing and stumbling my bike seems to have in the summer (probably too rich). Looks promising so far anyway :) Good job!
     
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    choke??? do you need the choke???

    i havent used it for months till i figured out the secret to starting the bike.

    turn the key on, let the fuel pump prime up the carbys, it will go nuts for a few seconds and then pretty much stop

    1/4 throttle and hit the starter and hold it in , it will start in about 1.5-2 seconds, revs goto about about 3 grand, back the throttle off to about 2 grand, hold it there for about 30-40 seconds, let throttle go, revs drop back to about 1500 rpm

    when bike fully warms up, revs slighty increase at idle between 1500-2000 revs

    if you dont want to pul carbys to bits to clean them, goto supercheap auto, buy some "fuel doctor" and next time before you fuel up, put it in your tank, then fill tank.
    bike will run rough till the tank is empty and refilled

    http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Fuel-Doctor-Fuel-Conditioner-275mL.aspx?pid=120027#Description

    of all the "mechanics in a bottle" this seems to be the only one that works
     
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    Lol thanks for the lesson, i know how to clean carbs fortunately, and yes a properly tuned carb bike should need the choke on a cold bike. Specially at 5am in sydney in the winter :) otherwise it would be said to be too rich. But hey if it runs smooth and it works for you, good stuff.

    That and I'd rather be getting my gear on then screwing around holding the throttle open and other assorted such. That's what they put the choke on the damn thing for so might as well make use of it lol. :p

    Anyway, leaning out the needles makes it a bit easier to start hot too it seems. So that's pretty sweet. Guess we'll see in the long term now! Happy days :3
     
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    My across was always a thirsty bugger (6.8-7 l/100k). Mind you, I think that was due to poor jetting and an aftermarket (previous owner).

    Good to see some people willing to have a bit of a play and see what they can do, especially given the smaller tank on it!
     
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    Okay so a bit of an interim report on this :)

    Have done 6 fill ups and I've AVERAGED 130km to the yellow light having only been able to get maybe 100 at the best of days previously. The best I've gotten so far was yesterday where i got 138km before it came on during freeway riding. Baring any catastrophic failure that makes me so so happy as you would be haha! Gone from an average of 7.2L/100km to a bit under 5.

    Thought the light was broken the first few times but sure enough it's working just fineĀ  ;D Bike also runs significantly better pretty much everywhere in every situation for it too.

    Good times :) 10/10 would mod again lol.
     
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    im glad u are getting the same as me, even being a throttle jockey on the bike seems to give about 5 litres to the 100 kays mark

    i cant see it failing in a major way being to lean. theres no flat flats, the exhaust is grey, plugs are a nice colour, looks good from where im standing.

    you should be able to get about 220 kays out of a tank now before fuel up
     
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    i know this is an old thread but thought id ask how things went say 6 months later? im interested in trying this.

    this weekend i was coming back from bathurst on the m4. i looked down and seen 183km since last fill. ive never been able to get any higher than 180 before. i switched it to reserve and tucked in behind some cars till i got to a servo. i pulled up at 204km and only put in 10.5ltrs and thats after squeezing it in there. the only thing ive recently done is went from a slipon exhaust (previous owner) to a standard one. lately the orange light will come on at 90km and red at about 140-150
     
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    Hmm, might have to try a standard exhaust on my bike.....
     
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    lol maybe. see its only a couple ks extra so it dont make much difference through the week. but on the long rides where you feel the need to stop at every servo just incase gets a bit boring.
    maybe i should convert the boot space into an actual tank, or find an already made tank that might fit lol
     
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    Hey Andrew
    Am a big fan of the Across, I think they are a great bike. The one issue with them is the tank size.....from memory 12.5L which isn't huge by 250 standards. Have you every had the tank out ?? As you know the tank sit's at the rear above the tire, they are well protected but very heavy for there size. I have often thought how great it would be to have a plastic tank with 14 or 15L capacity.
    The tank location necessitates the use of an electric fuel pump to feed the carbs.......just another thing to go wrong !!
    Cost to have this made would be prohibitive to say the least and finding space apart from the boot for a small 2 litre tank is a big ask. Space on all bikes seems to be at a premium, would be a shame to loose the boot.........my 2 cents worth.
     
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    no never had it out. dont get me wrong i do love the across. the boot is a good thing for what i use the bike for. my helmet dosent fit in there but that dont bother me as there are the hooks under the seat for that.

    id probably never change anything as i dont have the skills necessary to fabricate.i do plan on making her pretty again though.
     
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    Thanks for this info, I changed my needle from the third clip to the second clip so we'll see how she goes!
     
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    OOOOLD thread yep, but having owned an Across for the last 6 months I thought I would chime in here with my 2c.

    I can confirm adjusting the needles to the second notch from the top (have not tried top notch yet) does actually make a pretty significant difference in mileage.

    Did about 4 tanks in stock form (3rd notch from the top) & reserve light was coming on at ~100k's. Now it's coming on at roughly ~150k's & red light comes on at ~200k's.

    I'd say second notch from the top you'll get an extra 50-80k's out of it.

    Pretty awesome really thanks OP!

    Notes:
    • I have fully cleaned & sync'd the carbs which helps.
    • It does actually starts a LOT easier both cold & warm. Basically instantly.
    • Have not noticed any loss in performance & hits the redline without any issues
    Will report back at some point after I've moved it to the first notch & gone through a few tanks of petrol.
     
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    Would seem like the standard jets are too rich. You running an aftermarket pipe, too?
     

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