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Discussion in 'Licence - Rego - Insurance - Law - Rider Training' started by Cbuzz, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. Cbuzz

    Cbuzz Well-Known Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    So, had a bike fail for "expired tyres", tyres being older than 5yrs. Had to buy new tires to pass RWC.

    The tyres were around 7yrs old with only had 2,000 k's on them. No cracks or damage. They actuallyl looked new with virtually zero wear.

    Was I taken for a ride or is this actually a requirement now in Vic ?
     
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    Andych Senior Member Premium Member

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    It appears that it would most likely be a guideline rather than a requirement but.... any tyre place will suggest to you that tyres over 5 years old should be replaced as you cant see any possible degradation within the carcass etc.
    Rubber only has a certain shelf life... and that is either on the shelf or on a rim.
    In the end it is the Inspectors decision as it is his Kahuna's on the line... he is just going along with "Industry Standard" information.
     
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    Cbuzz Well-Known Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    I looked on Vic roads specifically vehicle requirements. It says nothing about the "Age" or "Expired" tyres. Only mentions cracks & wear (tread depth). The tyres on the bike had no cracks or wear.
     
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    As I said... it appears that it would be an "industry Accepted Guideline" that tyres over 5 years old should be replaced...They expect the Inspectors to be diligent in their regard to Safety.. ask any Tyre place about tyres that are more than 5 years old.. especially on motorbikes.. you only have 2 of them and if 1 fails.. .well...
    At the end of the day.. the inspector can fail it if he thinks it is unsafe.. Personally.. I would be pleased he made that decision.. not upset over it.
     
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    I’d call them and ask , sounds like bs to me
     
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    Cbuzz Well-Known Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    Happy you had to fork out an extra $350 for tyres that he also made a profit on? You must have some deep pockets man.

    I totally get the diligence part, I really do. But the tyres on the bike looked basically new, no cracks, at least 90% tread left. He didn't fail them for cracks or wear, it was "They've Expired".

    Regardless of your personal opinion, can a tester fail them due to being expired because he feels like it? Is that the actual Letter of the Law?

    I dunno man, it's just not sitting right with me.
     
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    It isnt "My Personal Opinion"... it is an "Industry Accepted Guideline" that tyres over 5 years old should be replaced as a "Safety Item".
    You will not get a definitive answer to your question in here... you will get peoples Opinions and experience but maybe you should contact Vic Roads as it is one of their Certified Testers that knocked it back.
    The brief PDF that is online about RWC is a drop in the bucket of the amount of information available to these testers.. there may well be regulations in place about the age of tyres.. it certainly isnt the first time I have heard of bikes and cars being knocked back because of the age of tyres...

    You were under no obligation to fork out any money for tyres right there and then... you "always" have a choice..
    I haven't been in that situation.. when I said I would be pleased he made that decision I was just making a personal observation.. BUT.... I wouldnt run tyres that were over 5 years old anyway...
    Maybe have a search in here.. there is a thread on tyre markings and age of tyres etc... there may be more info in that.
     
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    I have bought tyres that were already 3 years old , there are correct ways to store them so they don’t perish. I have had wholesalers trying to offload 4 year old tyres at bargain prices., which I passed on.

    From what I have seen, the industry guideline is tyres can not be sold if they reach six years of age.

    I read the vic road guidelines below , no mention of age or expired tyres.

    https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/-/m...x?la=en&hash=F09AA26A8F5185463B916DF3DFF8F07C

    The tyres on my rvf are dated 2013 and I will replace them soon, but on my terms , they are still soft and road legal, Well that is my opinion only as I am not trained or certified.

    If it is law in Victoria then it would be good to know difinitively. If the answer is no, then I would be naming and shaming the inspector and a complaint lodged with vic roads. I don’t like hearing stories of being held to ransom for something like this. I can’t see how an inspector can fail something if it is not law, it is an oddity.
     
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    Tyres have a use-by date and the sooner more people know how to read a manufacture date on the sidewall the better
    He deserves a medal for picking it up .... but maybe should have advised you , so u could buy new tyres at your own discretion and your choice of place of purchase

    Theres no way u can tell the true condition of tyre by just looking and thinking 'it looks fine' ... thats horseshit

    Ive had tyres explode on a previous 4WD I owned years ago doing 110 ... 2 within a few days .... thats when I learnt about tyres and age .... not fun ..... and on a bike .... well the outcome is obvious .... and I hear so many people not knowing to change tyres on old caravans they buy and have blowouts

    He did u a favour , just maybe went about it wrong

    https://www.2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/tyre-information.1115/
     
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    What exactly is the used by date for a correctly stored tyre? Or is this just an industry standard number random testers make up? Or is it actual law?

    Even new tyres can explode, not just old ones.
     
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    Get a brand new tyre and an old tyre and bounce them on the ground one after the other .... thats my industry standard

    New tyres explode? .... :lolsign: ... Ive been driving , riding for over 50 years , never come across that
     
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    For long term storage of tyres, you want to wrap them in glad wrap and store them in a cool, dark, dry place. They go bad from being exposed to air, sun, and high temperatures.
     
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    I've had two go out on me on the only ever new car that I bought. They were Good year super steels and had done less than 3,000Km when the first let go at about 90Km/h on the Gunnedah road. Second one blew to bits just outside town on Manilla road at about 100Km/h with both my small children in the back. We ended up, after a wild ride across both lanes, with the left rear wheel hanging over a culvert. I stopped a bloke in a farm truck who was able to pull the car back onto the road so I could put my spare on. On Monday morning I near threw the wheel at the Goodyear tyre service bloke and after a heated discussion we agreed to change them all for a different brand with me paying the difference in price. Fortunately they were both on the rear, but I have never used Goodyear tyres again.
     
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    The occasional faulty product straight off the assembly line happens with pretty much anything ... (which in the above case is extremely unfortunate)

    Has no comparison at all with a product that has deteriorated or degraded to a point of being unusable or in the case of tyres , unroadworthy and unsafe , and in the case of motorcycle tyres, potentionally deadly .... and that doesnt need any rules, laws or wateva to guide u ... its just common sense
     
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    You will find that the Tyre Industry to some extent self regulates... and yes that can be seen as a grab for $$ by the more cynical minded person... it can also be seen as covering their butts from the ever present Ambulance chasers who would have a field day if an "old" tyre were to fail and injure or heaven forbid kill somebody.

    I get that you are not happy that you had to put new tyres on but again... nobody held a gun to your head and said you MUST have these tyres... I have replaced the tyres on my SRX with Pirelli's and it was around $250.. because I shopped around.. which is your right to do...
    You asked a question and as I mentioned before.. we can give you our interpretations etc but the letter of the law in Victoria can only be confirmed if you ask Vic Roads.... maybe that should be your next step.
     
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    Do what Kiffsta said and ring Vicroads or Pablos (tyre supplier) and ask the question. I personally think the RWC in VIC states 10YO (9.5) or damaged is a fail. Pablos recently sold me a set of 4YO tyres at 4YO prices. They look "as new" and feel "as new". As Linkin said, if they're stored properly, then they should be fine.
     
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    Vicroads RWC requirements as per VSI26 stipulate no date for tyres being expired, or speak of such.
    The main stipulation without getting into the nitty details are tread depth min 1.5mm & 'All tyres must be free of deep cuts, cracks, bulges, exposed cords, evidence of carcass failure or seperated or perished rubber'.

    At the end of the day its upto his discretion but i don't think he could knock you back for expired, he could advise you they are old and to replace them but not force you in a position to replace then unless the statement above fails.

    Is it wise to ride on 5+ year old tyres, probably not.

    Other things to keep in mind is if there are any updates that Vicroads haven't put up in their VSI guides. There is also a lot of grey areas with things regarding ADR's etc... that arn't clearly defined.
     
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    Ya I will call Vic roads in the morning. The tyres in question actually looked great. No cracks, cuts or wear & only had 2,000 k's on them in total.

    The problem I have is you have to get the bike to a rwc tester usually trailer or van. Only to be told your tyres have expired because he can. Now you got a few choices, drive back & pick up the bike take it back home. Ring around & get 50 quotes on tyres. Find the best deal going. Take the bike to get new tyres, unload the bike. Drive home & wait however long it takes for them to install new tyres. Drive back & pick up the bike & drive home. Book in a time to get the bike Re tested. Take it back to the rwc tester.

    OR, just get the tester to put tyres on it & move on with your life.
     
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    Sounds like your tester is using the RWC check as a hook to make more money when he/she fails bikes. Wouldn't be the first vagina I've heard of in the bike industry!
     
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    That is what I was miffed about , i agree he did you a favour by pointing it out , but it is the way he did it that gets my back up.
     

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