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Project Project SRX250

Discussion in 'Your 250cc Projects' started by edwardo, Apr 5, 2020.

  1. edwardo

    edwardo Well-Known Member Contributing Member

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    Turns out the dupli-color primer isn't an etch primer.

    I have some rattle can etch primer, reckon that'd be okay to use?

    Just wondering about the temp issues..
     
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    To be honest... it shouldnt be an issue. The engine cases dont get ultra hot... the barrel will be the worst affected I would think. @my67xr would be the better person to comment though... far more knowledgable and experienced them me on anything to do with paint.
     
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    As long as the etch primer is a decent brand it'll be fine,
    i have rarely used primer between the etch and engine enamel, thicker paint is easier to chip

    I wouldn't have paint stripped the engine back as far as you've gone, i'd have just feathered out all the edge's of the chip's etc but it does take longer
     
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    Whoops on the extent of paint stripping. Oh well haha

    Cheers for the tips!
     
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    Taking the head and barrel off.

    Hear a little clink.. I think a dowel fell into the cases haha **** me!
     
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    You should be able to turn it upside down and rattle it out... or look in there with a torch and a magnetic pickup tool...
    the joys of motorcycle ownership... NOT :prankster:
     
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    Got it out! It went down next to the cam chain so no biggie.

    Disassembled pretty much the top and everything looks ok. Any of you keen-eyed legends wanna provide an opinion of how it all looks?

    Turns out my valve spring compressor won't fit such a small head. I need to find a short length of pipe to space the top out with. Will need a window cut out too to access the collets.

    I have some valve grinding paste and suction cups too. Worth doing?

    Also looks like the spark plug has been heli-coiled. Also seems to be one gouge in the head maybe from impact damage.

    Cam chain looks ok. Might chuck in a new one. Will need a rivet tool then as well. All the ones I find on eBay are for drive chains and seem too big for a cam chain. What do you guys use?


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    That poor engine looks to have been running very rich or using a lot of oil.... lol
    You wont need a rivet tool.. just slide the oil feed tube out (looks like you have already) and take the cam chain off.. no need to break it when you have the head off...
    That piston is a .5mm oversize already do it has been bored before...the barrel looks like it could do with a good hone and then check for sizing... mainly on rings (for end gap). You can get new rings... look in Impex.jp under XT250 1987 model... same basic engine.
    As for the valves... use an old appropriate sized socket and cut a decent window in it with a grinder.. then with a big G clamp you should be able to get the collets on or off easily. I would soak everything that has lots of carbon on it in 3 Bond and then give it all a good clean with a wire brush (carefully).
    Forget suction cups.. use a bit of hose on the end of the valve on the other end in a slow speed reversible drill.. then lightly pull on it while spinning (slowly) using your grinding paste.
    Make sure you have new (viton) valve stem seals too..
    https://en.impex-jp.com/catalogs/mo...witzerland-8773/crankshaft-piston-357047.html


    The second oversize ring set is 30X-11610-20-00 which is the same as TTR250. Shown as $101.15 at Trooper Lu's (Yamaha Dealer in Sydney) so you should be able to get a set if you need them.
    Dont buy cheap Cam Chain... they are rubbish for the twin cam engine..
     
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    Yeah it's very crusty and black. Will need a clean for sure.

    So take out rings and chuck them in the cylinder and check end gap?

    How could you tell it was 0.5 over? And if I get new rings just same again, 0.5?

    Great idea with the socket too. I think I have a spare 18mm or 19mm deep socket might see if that will work

    Will look at getting it honed too.

    I did see some really cheap chains haha thought better than to get them. Wouldn't I need a riveter to rivet the new chain on?

    Cheers for the info!
     
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    There is a 0.5 on top of the piston, well it looks like that.
    Yep, you should take the rings off the properly clean the piston anyway. Slide the ring in square using the piston and measure the end gap. Specs are in the manual.
    The cam chain will come out. There is a removable oil feed tube in the area where the oil filter is. It feeds oil into the cylinder to go up to the head for the cams. Once that is out and the guides you can easy change the chain.

    Hopefully the Piston is fine and you might not need new rings either. Personally, if you have gone this far, I would probably go for a new set of rings.
    Depends on the measurements etc too.


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    Yep yep will clean it all up tomorrow and measure the ring gaps. Might have a look for a honing tool too.

    And yeah depending on measurements may just thrown in a new set of rings.

    Thanks again for the info and advice!
     
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    What suburb are you in?
    I might be able to recommend a machinist to hone your cylinder ready for the new piston and ring's
    He can also get decent piston's and ring kits in if you want him to
     
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    That would help, he could measure it all for you as well. No guessing then.


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    Suggestions would be great! I'm in Norwood. Not really in the know when it comes to good workshops and machine shops.
     
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    Cheers!

    Had a quick look for pistons and rings, did find the rings around 100ish as mentioned before. No luck on a .5 or 1 oversize position. Did find some cheap pistons and rings on eBay for a ttr for like $40. Surely they are made out of papier mache for that price?!

    Also found a cam chain for $12.. wonder if it would last a day? Haha

    About to head out and remove valves, tidy up piston and do some measurements
     
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    On closer inspection it seems that the head is cracked? Bugger!

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    Yep... that is typical of the earlier heads... unfortunately that head is toast.. you could try getting it welded but it rarely works.
    Dont be tempted to go for the $12 cam chain... ask me how I know lol.
    I wouldnt do anything on the piston until the bore has been measured.. it looks to have a couple of deep marks but it may just be shadows in the pictures.. really hard to tell.
    The piston looks to be pretty good from the pics, dirty but good. If the ring end gaps are ok you might well get away with a light hone.
    Your biggest issue will be the head... I will check out in the garage later but I am pretty sure I have a spare head.
     
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    There is a legendary head shop in Adelaide, that another member posted about.
    https://www.adelaidecylinderheads.com.au/products-cat.aspx?Id=28
    I would go and see them and ask them if they could repair it. You want to remove the helicoil, weld it all up and re-machine for a smaller diameter plug. Of course they are going to have to do new seats too. That will solve the cracking to seats problem. Will not be cheap.

    Oh, another engine running rich. What a surprise. If I ever see one that is lean I will have a heart attack and die and yet all that owners ever do is fit big jets. Coz they wanna go faster. Not having a go at you Edwardo :)
     
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