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Project 2KR FZR250 project

Discussion in 'Your 250cc Projects' started by jakeyphil, Aug 25, 2022.

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    Hi again all
    Haven't really gotten my teeth into it yet, but here's how my 2kr rebuild is going:

    - bike purchased, delivered & parked in shed
    - prelim stocktake done, missing parts identified so far are ignition key, windscreen, body fasteners & one engine cover.
    - Have ordered replacement key with ignition barrel & tank cap to suit. $50 on ebay, so we'll see how that goes. Have also ordered beginner lock picking kit to get existing tank cap out.

    Some pics of how it was delivered:
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    Best lock picing kit for the tank cap is a drill.... far less frustrating than learning to pick locks.
     
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    Successfully picked the lock on the existing fuel cap - a bit easier than I thought it would be! Reckon it was probably pretty worn for that to be the case.
    Also replaced the ignition barrel - the new one had a plug while the existing one didnt, so put a three wire plug in the loom to match the new barrel, and used a single connector for what I assume is the earth.

    Which brings me to the other problem - the wire colors weren't an exact match. The new barrel had Red, Green, Black, & Black with white stripe. The bike has Red, Green, Blue & Blue with red stripe. For now I've assumed red to red, green to green, black to blue, black with white stripe to blue with red stripe. I'll double check this another day with a battery.

    If anyone knows these wire colors (on the bike that is) and I've gotten them wrong, I'm colorblind so feel free to correct me.
     
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    Looks like I've wired up the bike correctly. Dash lights came on with a battery last night. Wasn't the time to hit the starter, didn't have a battery the terminals could be fastened to, I was just holding them on by hand. Would like to replace the oil before I do that also.
     
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    Finally cracked the carbs open last night. Going to give the jets a quick clean out, splash some fresh fuel in her (tank seems quite clean after first clean out) and once I change the oil and fit the plugs, see if she starts when I kick her over the first time.

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    Goodo, sounds like it is running on 3 cylinders though.
     
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    If you get a spray bottle of water and spray it on the header pipes, you'll see which cylinders are firing very quickly

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    Yeah definitely doesn't sounds great. I've just ordered a full set of carb seals from you today, will take them apart for a full rebuild (not just a quick cleanup of the jets) and hopefully that'll fix what's going on. If not, top end and barrels come off for a set of rings and valve seals, which I'll probably do anyway given the blue smoke pouring out.

    That's bloody clever, thanks mate
     
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    Okay, thanks for the order. I see you have gone all in. Here are some important details.
    1/ First read the Yamaha guide https://www.litetek.co/Guide_MikuniBDST_Rebuild.html Then read our Keihin guide to rebuilds because I make it clear in that guide that you must support the throttle shaft from behind when trying to loosen the screws, otherwise you will bend the shaft. https://www.litetek.co/Guide_Keihin_Rebuild.html This is not a job for the weak at heart and if you are not sure, get some old carbs to practise on.
    2/ We don't have choke cap seals in the 2KR kit yet, we will have them by January. However, you can buy them as a standalone part by using Suzuki part number 13682-31210.
    3/ If you are going to tackle the choke plungers, our UK distributor Vapourworx, has found that using heat is the best way to get the old seal out. A few seconds with a butane torch will do it. Be careful, the alignment pin is easily bent. After cleaning and polishing the shaft, lubricate the new seal with silicone grease and work it in to the recess, chamfered side up. I will make a video of fitting these soon.
    4/ Under most of the part details on our web pages you will find a link to assembly guides. Always a good idea to check those.

    If you need any help just ask myself or the lads on the forum. Lots of carb rebuilding goes on here.
    Cheers
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    Oh my bad, haha! I just noticed that you are an engineer. Okay, you should be able to deal with this :)
     
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    That's fantastic detail, thanks so much. I have been looking over the photos and threads of people rebuilding the carbs on here, and being my first 4-carb rebuild I'm going to go as slow and methodical as I can, reading and re-reading everything, including your site (I'm sure the wife won't mind my $500 bike sitting in her car spot for a while yet).

    Haha with some of the engineers I've worked/studied with, this doesn't necessarily mean competence at all ;)

    Thanks again mate

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    Another method is a laser temp gun .... and they can be cheap if u shop around

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    Could also get some eye-rolls by pointing it at the wife and telling her she's a certified hottie.
     
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    Laser thermo hot wife ? LOL corny but I still got a chuckle, thats what they call a Dad joke these days :)
    I also think the spray the header with water thing is a very clever idea !
    I had a car badly overheating that had me beyond confused. Was headed to yellowstone park in heat of august & It blew a head gasket about 150km away, fixed the gasket, car still got hot, tried new thermostat, checked fans etc. No luck tho, still got hot & boiled over every 20km or so. Happened to be near a river & kept pulling over & dousing radiator with river water, when I eventually noticed only the outer 2-3 rows of the radiator would evaporate the river water fast but whole center stayed wet...darn radiator was 80-90 percent plugged !
    Your header spray idea is borderline genius if u ask me, I would feel a whole lot smarter if I could say it was an intentional diagnosis method when i saw it in action on that radiator !
    Just a sidenote I just remembered, i did manage to crack my O2 sensor porcelain while dumping cold river water all over the engine bay, so if anyone tries this header spray misfire test method, try staying clear of any sensors if you can ;)
     
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    I would love to take credit for the water spray idea but I didn't come up with it lol. Might even have heard it somewhere on this forum so someone else is welcome to claim the praise
     
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    After quite a while of the bike just sitting not being worked on, I pulled my finger out over the christmas break and gave the carbs another going over, putting each in the ultrasonic cleaner, and blowing out all jets and passageways. All 4 cylinders run great now, but the bike will only rev up to 8-12k, seems like a fuelling issue, with not enough fuel flow to maintain more than 1/3 or so throttle. I'm thinking I'll be checking the fuel float height when I get home tonight, then following that who knows.

    Both calipers are seized in place, but luckily a while ago I read on here the first get R6 caliper bolts straight up to the 2kr fork - I can confirm this is the case, and I now have a front brake while I await my caliper piston removal tool.

    With the engine running and a front brake, I took the little bike down the street under its own power for the first time. I'm very excited to get this project done and ride this bike through Kangaroo Valley and Macquarie Pass, the engine feels good and the bike feels very flickable. I'll post a video of it running soon.
     
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    https://youtube.com/shorts/bNt3IOzc2hA?si=d4BQaX9i-4Xbzimx

    Above vid is of the bike running and revving as hard as it can, maxes out at 13k, and I twist the throttle harder, but revs fall. This is what always happens, maxing out anywhere from 8k to 13k.
    Thinking this is the fuel pump maybe? A new one is $50 ish delivered so worth a try I guess.

    After the vid was taken I checked the mixture screws in the carbs, 1 & 4 where 1 turn out, 2 & 3 were 2 turns out, changed all to 3 turns out.
    Also welded up the broken front fairing support, and fitted the gauges, moved the headlights into the new plastic bracket and fitted to the bike (after the video).

    New parts required are:
    Gauge plastic bracket (current one has plastic at mounting points broken, is being held in by the mount points on the metal cover)
    Rubber grommets at back of speedo & tach.
    New air filter (Anyone had any luck with these?)
    Headlight globes (standard H4's don't fit, supercheap look like they have some).
    Tail light globes
    Both right hand blinkers
    New tyres
    Chain & sprockets (purchased)
    LHS engine cover fairing (Might have better luck with a whole fairing set from Aliexpress honestly).

    Once all that's fitted I think we'll be off for a blueslip.

    The more I get into this project, the more I realize this isn't going to be a ground up as new resto. There's just not enough value in the finished bike for that. So it'll stay ratty I guess. Functional and working 100%, but not looking to win any trophies for sure. At least that way I'll feel less precious about having proper fun on this thing.
     
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    New fuel pump didn't fix the revving issue, but as the bike was idling, I noticed some magic blue smoke escaping from somewhere. This connector from the regulator rectifier is getting a bit meltey, so I'll replace the connector and hope it was a short causing it.

    Unsure if it could be, but hopefully this is the cause of my revving issues.

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