Oil Change for beginners

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by bobbi12, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. bobbi12

    bobbi12 New Member

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    Hey guys can you give me some advice on how to change my oil...It's my 1st time doin this sort of thing...Can the air and oil filter from the FZR400 work on the FZR250??? Can you use a fuel filter for an automobile on a bike??
     
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    A car fuel filter is probably too big to fit in the spot where the original fule filter is located. Also, the FZR 400 uses different filters.

    Anyways, I believe your's is a 2KR, so here's the parts number

    fuel filter: Fram G4164
    Oil filter: Yamaha 4X7-13440-90

    Change oil when the engine is warm, but not hot. you want the oil to flow out easily but you don't want to burn your hands. you'll probably have to lay down on your belly to change the oil filter as it is at the bottom of the engine. And no exup valve = no exhaust removal, so it should be considered easy.
     
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    im not to sure about 2KR's but if you didnt know they have the oil
    volume written where you fill the oil, and add 300ml
    extra if you change the filter!
     
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    So the only reason you shouldnt change the oil when its hot is that you might burn your hands? Because Im assuming that the hotter the oil, the more that will come out = more thorough change. If you can arrange it so you wont do damage to yourself or your oil container (that youre catching the oil in), would you think that changing the oil when its freshly ridden would be a good idea?

    Also, does anyone know of effective additives to improve oil performance? Or is it a bit of a no-go for little bikes..
     
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    Thks alot there, an i was getting excited about using the fzr 400 parts bcoz i just came off a website that only has parts for the 1989FZR400S so i thought you could use most of the parts from the 400 but now i see that you cant...I'm truly disappointed now <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->
     
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    why not go to a yamaha dealership and just tell then what your bike is, they will have most parts in stock.

    I just did an oil change on my bike over the weekend. Went to a yamaha dealership and got some semi synth oil and a new filter. All they asked was the year of the bike not even the model as they say they are all the same for that year.

    Oil that was recomended by them was 20w50 (from memory).

    4L oil ~ $40
    filter ~ $15

    Anyone know the prices of the spark plugs ?
     
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    Bout 5 bucks each these days, average price.

    I dont know about changing out the oil when warm.. It seems... pointless. Oil is a liquid right? It'll still all drain downwards regardless of viscosity. No need to pointlessly heat the oil, especially when you have no idea how hot it could be.
     
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    i went to super cheap and asked for cr8e as they didnt have any on the shelf, the price was $18.50 each <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

    lucky didnt get any.


    Im thinking the reason behind warming up the engine thus worming up the oil would be that it would come out easier plus as it expands more of it will flow out quicker !!
     
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    Yeah, I figured warmer oil would expand but would also (and more importantly) be thinner (less like mud, more like water)... Surely this would mean your oil cange would be both faster and more intensive?
     
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    $18.50 for a single plug sounds like they were the iridium plugs (never need to be replaced, just need to be cleaned).

    Standard plugs should be about $5 as said previously.

    If you heat up the oil first it means that it runs out easier (also making it easier to know when you've completely drained the oil, instead of waiting half an hour for the dribbling to stop). Just let your bike idle while you prep your tools and take off the fairings - no time lost waiting for oil to warm up, and time saved because it runs out faster.
    Just do it outside so you don't get killed by the exhaust emissions :p
     
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    Standard plugs here in Tassie were $4 at bursons and $4.25 at repco - should be cheaper in mainland australia
     
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    Eh.. ok then sure. But I'll keep doing my oil changes cold. I mean it's not like cold oil is that much thicker then slightly warm oil. It's still very fluid. Methinks the benefits would me almost un-noticable. Just like saying to check the oil level when warm. I swear theres not even a millimetre of a difference.
     
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    Yamaha Dealership???? Not where im from...It has a Yamaha dealership yea but they only have parts for the FZR 400 and even that is limited....Bombermanx you gave me the part number for the oil filter which was 4X7-13440-90... Well i got an oil filter but the number was 1L9-13440-91....You have any idea if it will work because i dont wanna drain my oil only to discover that my oil filter doesnt fit..
     
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    Warm or cold, probably just a preference. I did both before, and when it's warm/hot, it flows a bit easier/faster. And I work at a auto service/repair shop, and anything that makes things faster is better. <!-- s:cool: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt=":cool:" title="Cool" /><!-- s:cool: -->

    bobbi12 - if you just take out the filter cover and remove the filter, you'll probably loose a small amount of oil. (or am I wrong? i always drain the oil first then the filter, so I am not sure) Then compare the size/shape/measurement of the filter. If they match, then it'll most likely work. If it doesn't, then you are only loosing a small amount of oil that you can just top up.
     
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    The two schools of thought regarding oil changes; being warm or cold both have their supposed benefits - but i'm of the warm oil change school of thought.

    Warm
    - Drains quicker
    - Sediment (aka. crud) is actually mixed in with the oil which will come out with the rest of the oil.
    - Get to burn your hand if you stuff up
    - The intoxicating smell of warm used oil (probably carcenogenic)


    Cold
    - Sediment (aka. crud) has settled to the bottom of the oil sump and as such supposedly ensures that the rubbish will come out with the oil change.
    - You won't burn your hand if you stuff up.

    I tend to believe the warm school of though arguments more than the cold; especially considering even the Yamaha manual (aswell as most other vehicle manuals) recommend warming up the engine for a short while before doing an oil change.
     

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