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Info NSW engineers certificate - Honda VT 250 Spada

Discussion in 'Licence - Rego - Insurance - Law - Rider Training' started by Gizziracer, Aug 17, 2017.

  1. Gizziracer

    Gizziracer Well-Known Member Contributing Member

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    Hi, Spada nut here, restore these little miracles as a bit of a hobby sideline.
    Ex moto Guzzi racer/ bike builder(don't build old guzzis cause old ones have gone through the price stratosphere, possibly with good reason, my Le Mans has over 250,000 kms with only 2 miner rebuilds, including racing kms)
    No one here has the current contact details for Phil Roberts Engineering do they.
    He was the engineer who inspected most of the grey imports for Caringbah Motorcycles when they were all the rage as grey imports. Trying to track down the engineer certificate on a frame with no compliance plate. He inspected a lot of the NSW imports and sells the certificates from his home on the NSW South Coast. This info may also be of info to others who have supposedly unregisterable bikes, with this bit of paper its easy to get them back on the road.
     
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    kiffsta?try the fed gov site and enter frame number. they keep accurate records
     
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    The retired engineer who is the keeper of the Honda VT 250 Spada Engineer certificates is Philip Roberts, contact me if you need his contact details.
    This info will be totally irrelevant to most but if you have a nsw grey import spada that came in via caringbah motorcycles that doesn't have a compliance plate and needs a blue slip this is the only way you can get it registered.
    Neither any state or federal govt departments can or will help you.
    The only other option is to obtain a new engineering certificate that could well cost more than the bike is worth.
    gizziracer
     
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    Frankster Grey Pride...Adventure before Dementia Staff Member Premium Member Ride and Events Crew

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    Welcome. Any chance you might post some pics of your creations/restorations? The one in your avatar looks clean.
     
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    Update on Grey Imports with no compliance plates. I have had a few people contact me in a fairly upset state after inspectors have refused to issue blue slips for Spadas that do not have a compliance plate. The Inspectors tell them that a modified vehicle certificate has to be presented as a condition of registration. Checking with rta technical branch verifies this as these particular grey imports were imported and inspected under a scheme where the certificate was issued instead of a compliance plate. The rta does not keep copies of these certificates and if they are lost by the owner or not passed on at sale the only 2 options are to find the original inspection engineer, (if you can), and get a reissued copy, or have the bike re engineered at a cost somewhere between $500 and $2000. WARNING , Unfortunately atm there are 2 of these bikes being offered for sale in nsw, one is only 2 months out of rego so only requires a pink slip but needs to be re registered within the next month and kept registered. I'm fairly sure the other one is effectively never going to get full registration again.
    Continuing my discussion with the RTA tech I asked about historic rego. It transpired that that these sad, unregisterable Spada orphans MAY get back on the road under the NSW historic rego scheme as only a proof of ownership and a pink slip is required, as long as the club officials are satisfied the bike meets necessary standards.
     
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    There are plenty of pre 89 bikes with out compliance plates , they were only issued for 89 and onwards bikes. I had a 88 mc19. That didn’t have a complete plate and I called these guys and have them the vin, it took 2 weeks to get a reply

    https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/

    They issued me a copy the import approval certificate which allowed me to register the bike
     
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    Yep, your totally correct about most pre 89 bikes. However, most spada imports arrived around 2000 or later. And if they have this condition included on their NSW rego papers,(bottom left hand corner of rego papers) they cannot get full rego without the accompanying engineers certificate. I built one of these unregisterable bikes into a complianced bare frame once. I still have the non registerable frame hanging in the shed. its really important more people don't get caught out.


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    wow. that is a major pain
     
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    I was able to get my FZX250 Zeal (Bert Flood Imports) blue slipped without a compliance plate - it can be done for NSW on the condition it has been registered for at least a year in NSW before. The bloke I used was in Tamworth, behind SSS motorcycles in Taminda

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    Yep no doubt you did it Steve. But its totally different circumstances. What I'm saying, (and I totally understand that its difficult to understand or believe this as its totally mental!), is that if the bike has been imported and registered in NSW as a modified vehicle with a modified vehicle report as a condition of registration, even if the only modifications are that its not wearing a compliance plate, then it cannot and will not be blue slipped without the report. If the"modified As Per Report" stipulation isnt on the rego papers,(and the rta do have a copy of these) then a blue slip shouldn't be a problem. These days the rta keep a copy of the modified vehicle reports but they didn't until around 15 years ago. I'm really just trying to warn people about a significant, potential minefield. I also have an 1989 mazda mx5 sometimes track car that I was able to purchase cheaply that suffers this same problem. Fortunately, I went into the deal knowing the pitfalls and as its going onto historic rego there is no issue, Unless I want to bring it bac
     
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